I've never watched this from start to finish, but whenever I've seen clips, it's like the camera is suffocating everything by being so constantly in everyones' face. I mean, why film a spectacle and then cut it all out of the frame?
I think the director, Joshua Logan, should not have ever been given a movie camera. He was a stage director who seems to have gotten confused about what the camera was for!
They are not "forgotten"--quite dated material, for sure--but both suffer from Logan's over-the-top direction. Apparently he told the casts to deliver their lines to the balcony--in China! But despite that, some good performances fight their way through. Monroe in "Bus Stop" is quite good, but even there you see she is doing much more "business" than is necessary.
His films were hits in their day, but hard to look at now. "Camelot" is subdued in comparison to most of efforts, believe it or not.
You're right. Logan apparently was an excellent director for the stage but by and large his movies were clunky affairs. "Picnic" and "Bus Stop" were adequate film versions of the stage plays but Logan botched every musical he transferred to the screen. He directed the original Broadway theater production of Rogers and Hammerstein's "South Pacific" so you would think he would have tried to preserve the integrity and beauty of that original show for the movies. Unfortunately the film was a terrible failure (although many people seem to like it). The use of immense close ups, garish color filters during song numbers and an awful beginning (the "Bloody Mary" number almost immediately followed by "There Is Nothing like A Dame" got the story off to a very awkward start from which it never really recovered). It could have been a great film musical had a more adventurous director helmed the movie but that was not to be. "Camelot" is somewhat better but again, many of the scenes are too "stagey", the close ups even more pronounced, the film runs on interminably , the director trying much too hard to instill a sense of magic and wonder into the story where there really isn't any, and although Vanessa Redgrave is a standout as Guenivere I found Richard Harris, fine actor though he was, to be terribly hammy as Arthur. Alfred Newman's orchestration was excellent, the production design was spectacular as were the costumes. The cinematography was rather garish much of the time. All in all, a missed opportunity. "Paint Your Wagon" was the other musical that failed big time, basically for the same reasons as the other films.
All good points. It's interesting that he ruined both "South Pacific" and "Camelot" in different ways! "South Pacific" had those horrible color filters which are more than a little distracting and take away completely from the beautiful settings. Purportedly Logan, to his dying day, said the color filters used were his biggest mistake. I agree! "Camelot" COULD have worked. They had a great cast (especially Redgrave and Nero who look incredible) but the nonstop closeups get annoying. Yeah--both actors look great but let's see the scenery around them! Also the singing was just OK. I heard Nero was overdubbed but Redgrave wasn't. She was (and is) a wonderful actress but she's not known for her singing--for good reason. It's frustrating to watch those two movies because all the right elements are there but they're horribly directed.
I won't place all the blame in this production on the director but as I was watching, I was struck by how strange some of the shots seemed to be. It wasn't a question of shooting too close or too far away but of not having thoughtful shots. Characters would look directly into the camera at odd moments. The camera would be too far in scenes where it was important to see how the characters were reacting. It was like if someone was just handed a camera without knowing what was going to happen in the movie and just had to keep whatever shots they ended up with.