Incredibly Sexist


I watched for the first time in high school and was stunned by how sexist and offensive this film is, "taming"? more like brainwashing.

"This is what a Feminist looks like."

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The vapidity of 21st century Americans expecting Shakespeare to confirm to the absurd PC Dogmas!.

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Yes, it's quite stunning that a play set in 16th century Europe isn't politically correct. How dare they!

I notice there were no black characters either. How racist.

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Study women's history!

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Shut up troll.

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As an old English male I am fascinated by the venom of some other posters.

From the way the opening post is written, I assume by a young United States woman aged between about 14 and 21(I am not sufficiently erudite to know the normal age for attendance at a High School).

I welcome it that she is sufficiently interested in Films/Movies to want to share her reaction with others.

I am not aided by Posters who tag their messages with little epithets, which attempt to make some meaningful statement about their approach to life in general - I prefer to discern a person’s general attitude, where such discernment might be relevant, by an assessment of their words used - rather like we need to do with playwrights such as William Shakespeare. However I will not dismiss her for that, so many folk add such tags many of which are trite and repetitive and I find normally irritate rather than inform or entertain.

I do wonder whether she chose to view 'Taming' or did so as part of a curriculum study. I wish she had shared a little more of her experience - perhaps even over a year on, she may yet do so.

As with many young people, she offers a certitude reminiscent of mine half a century ago.

What most fascinates is the aggression and dismissal of responders, some who rather than celebrate a young person, beginning to engage with the writings of a historically great playwright - ridicule and dismiss, her and perhaps each other as they do not make it apparent to whom their remarks are directed.
I am not well learnèd or possessed of a good memory and have just seen this version for the first time. I thought it was fun and enjoyable and a skilful adaption, a great way to show that although there are great things that can be learnt from Shakespeare's plays, there is also great enjoyment available. I was imagining how the ordinary folk of London would have enjoyed the comedic parts and colour, when the play was first performed on stage.

Having, recently - 18 months ago - visited Warwick Castle and seen a presentation about the possibility of Shakespeare's works being scripted by De Vere; I am tending to think that may have been likely (or someone else). I needed to look to my atlas to discover the location of Padua and Verona, a facility that would not have been available to most play goers, yet the playwright chose to write about such distant and for 17th century Englanders exotic places. It seems - from what I know about Will Shakespeare's upbringing, he is very unlikely to have toured such places yet he writes about their customs.

What he would have known about was relationships between men and women, and all that is shown here could have been gained by experience in Stratford and London, without going further.

To our young feminist; the misogynist views in vogue - it would seem in the 16th century persisted until at least the 1960's and for some until today - I celebrate that equality is now the order of the day to the extent that the British Parliament has just indicated its intention to permit - in some circumstances same sex marriage for most UK residents, something unimaginable at the time this film was made in 1967.

I shall be interested whether these comments aid the discussion or produce dismissive comments that write me off as someone whose opinions are wrong and therefore not worth answering in any detail.

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Mr. Hatton,

I applaud your reply to the original post here. I am in agreement with you. While not an authority of Shakespeare, he is my favorite author and poet. Unfortunately modern English teachers prefer to show movies to their classes instead of requiring them to actually read the plays/books.

This movie is poorly done, but remembering it was filmed in the mid 1960s, it was made more for keeping with the times than being true to the literary genius of the writer. The play, however, was written for the time when it was first penned and performed.

I advice, before you begin to sputter ill research, is to read the original for understanding and then study that time in history to better know what was going on in the world and in the society of the writer. He did not live in this day and time and you cannot, therefore, hold him to your standards.

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Thanks - I guess I remembered me in class in 1964/5 with Mrs Durrant - trying to help me/us understand The Merchant of Venice as we read it round the class - I cannot remember if we got to see a performance but was jolly relieved to scrape a pass to my GCE 'O' level in English Literature, which with the 5 others was just enough to qualify me for a job as a bank clerk and 8 years later to get me a chance to do an entry exam for a University Diploma in Social Work that gave me the career that produced the pension that supports me know.

I have always struggled with 16th century language and coincidentally remarked how misplaced it still is as this morning the BBC (In its Royalist way [I am a republican]) broadcast its weekly Christian worship from no less a place than the Royal Chapel of St James' Palace (where numbers of the extended family of the sovereign live in central London). The celebrant - no less a person than the Bishop of London (with titles too long to type or understand!) intoned "here beginneth the first lesson" - at which point my attention faded - but the music was fabulous - what utter twaddle - I said to my wife that we justify our current procedures such as still spouting such twaddle - because - that is how it was always done - well it was not - because - at one time there was not the Christian Church or even any palace!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04pr6rs

However, what I also studied with Mrs Durrant for That exam was, the brilliant "A Man for All Seasons" which so inspired me that a few years later when it was being revived on a London stage- I queued for gallery seats on a Saturday night - using my workaday railway season ticket to get me there and saw it on stage - I think again Paul Scofield was the great man and (the not yet Rumpole) - Leo McKern (a colonial!) played the 'Common Man' - who was Bolt's real star - for he represented all of us who get to play the bit parts in the great events in real life -

If I sit quietly - I can still connect with the massive shiver in my back - as at the very end of the play as the executioner's (Common Man - McKern) axe reached full height - instantly every light in the theatre went out simultaneously and the sound effects took over as the axe was brought across the neck of Sir Thomas.

(The pictures that come with radio drama are always better than what comes with TV as long as one has had a few real experiences, to feed one's imagination.)

CRANMER (Envious rather than waspish) You're very sure of that, Sir Thomas.(He exits)

MORE (Takes off his hat, revealing the gray disordered hair) He will not refuse one who is so blithe to go to him.

(Kneeling. Immediately is heard a harsh roar of kettledrums. There is total blackout at head of the stairs, while the drums roar. Then the drums cease)

HEADSMAN (Bangs the trap down, in the darkness) Behold the head-of a traitor! (The lights come up)

COMMON MAN (Comes to the center of the stage, having taken off his mask) I'm breathing . . . Are you breathing too? . . . It's nice, isn't it? It isn't difficult to keep alive, friends just don't -make trouble-or if you must make trouble, make the sort of trouble that's expected. Well, I don't need to tell you that. Good night. If we should bump into one another, recognize me. (He exits)http://veng6a.pbworks.com/w/page/8219359/The%C2%A0Complete%C2%A0Script %3A%C2%A0Act%C2%A02%20%28AMFAS%29



I thank whatever God(s) there might be for all the Mrs Durrants who help us when we are kids, not just to get the qualifications that prove we are employable, but most importantly teach us to think for ourselves.

I am sorry, we did not read any more from "hellyeah_chemical" - I wonder how how she reflects on it 6 years later!

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shakespeare did not have to tour places like padua nd Verona to write about them, he coukd easily have derived second hand information from books etc. he wrote plays set in ancient Rome as well, and he had almost certainly never been to ancient Rome.

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Oh tell me how great is thou, sweet Andrew.

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Neither great nor sweet am I, but grateful for life and the ability and opportunity to contribute to this long lasting "discussion".

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It's not just sexist it's misogynistic. This is a wife-beating movie filled with abuse. I hated it. It was also shown in my high school English class and I find it to be so offensive that I think it shouldn't be taught in schools anymore. Very dated and one of Shakespeare's worst plays.

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It's not considered one of Shakespeare's better plays....and of course it is offensive. It's strange that it's one of his best-known plays when it isn't terribly special.


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It's not just sexist it's misogynistic.

What's the difference?


This is a wife-beating movie filled with abuse. I hated it. It was also shown in my high school English class and I find it to be so offensive that I think it shouldn't be taught in schools anymore. Very dated and one of Shakespeare's worst plays.

I agree the movie was wonderful.

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I agree with you. Even a blind person can tell how misogynistic this movie is. I understand that it is based on a play from centuries ago but the whole "taming" theme just kept bothering me and distracting me from enjoying an otherwise great production. I loved everything else, the setting, the costumes, the vibrant colors and cheerful people... just not the premise itself. I kept nodding my head throughout the movie and desperately wishing for Katharina to slap her idiot husband right in the face.

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