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Herrmann coudn't save this one anyway....


I think most people know that Bernard Herrmann wrote the original score for this film, but it was rejected by Hitchcock, and they never worked together again. From the standpoint of time, it's apparent that it didn't matter anyway: nothing could save this film. The wrong actors were chosen to play the main characters, it had a childish & simple-minded plot, Hitchcock once again insults the audience with terrible fake sets (as he did in Marnie), and the performances are mechanical throughout.
John Addison tries to inject some life into the film with his lightweight music, but it just feels phoney anyway. A very strange film, but not unusual for the mid 60's when the film industry was in a terrible identity crisis, and most films were failing at the box office.
Now whether Herrmann could have helped Hitchcock's next film "Topaz", that's a question left to the ages. (I think there was a very good chance that he could have created a very inpired score. Would definitely have been his last, in any case. Hitchcock wanted an all English crew for "Frenzy".)


Regards,

Steve

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One of the odd things about Hitchcock firing Herrmann off of "Torn Curtain" is the feeling that, though Herrmann was reportedly upset at the time (his collaborations with Hitchcock had made Herrmann all the more famous and he wanted to continuewith Hitch) -- you could say that Herrmann "got off just in time."

For the four Hitchcock films made from "Torn Curtain" on had very bad critical notices and middling-to-awful box office success -- with the exception of "Frenzy," which, while well-reviewed, still struck some as an ugly film unworthy of Hitchcock at his best, and which wasn't a huge hit.

But I think it is too bad that Herrmann wasn't allowed to score the final four Hitchcock films. Herrmann could have -- just barely. He died in December of 1975, which would have allowed for him to make it all the way to the end with Hitch, and to score "Family Plot" for early 1976 release.

Of the Final Four scores:

John Addison's score for "Torn Curtain" has an exciting overture -- but it sounds rather like Bernard Herrmann, after all. Herrmann's own "Torn Curtain" overture (which, along with other aspects of his score, can be heard on the DVD in a special secion) is exciting, too. Meanwhile, except for the overture (which is well-used in the bus chase),Addison's score is AWFUL in its romantic moments, in its occasional silliness, in its use of the Hitchcock TV theme for Hitchcock's cameo. Herrmann's score would have been better than that.

"Topaz" is a rather dull movie with a surprisingly dull score by Maurice Jarre ("Lawrence of Arabia," "The Professionals.") There is a nice "military march" overture and somewhat exotic themes for Cuba and Paris, but Jarre's work in "Topaz" is generally "musical wallpaper." Herrmann could have done something here, too.

"Frenzy" has an awful score by Ron Goodwin, except for the Hitchcock-ordered opening "royal overture" over the Thames. Elsewhere, Goodwin's music is industrial-strength TV detective show thriller music: obvious and heavy. As "Frenzy" is Hitchcock's "Best of the Final Four," with the worst score, Herrmann here would have be a wonderful collaborator (Henry Mancini was fired from this -- was Hitchcock getting squirelly about his composers' fame?)

"Family Plot" has the best of the Final Four Hitchcock scores, by the Spielberg/Lucas guy, John Williams. It's a droll and whimsical score fitting the fanciful comedy of the thriller. Still, it would have been best to keep Hitchcock and Herrmann connected to the very end -- just as Henry Mancini and Blake Edwards were til Mancini's death, and as Spielberg and John Williams are now.

Whether or not Bernard Herrmann could have "saved" any of Hitchcock's final four films, they should have stayed together. "Vertigo," "North by Northwest" and "Psycho" are classics because Hitchcock does the visual and Herrmann does the musical, and together, a fusion of greatness was acheived.
One reason that the Final Four Hitchcock's don't quite seem like "real Hitchcock movies" (even "Frenzy"), is because they don't have the distinctive Herrmann music; indeed the composers are different for each movie. (Which tells you how much Hitch missed Herrmann.)

"Torn Curtain" and "Frenzy" have bad scores. Herrmann would have helped.

"Topaz" has a dull score. Herrmann would have bettered it.

"Family Plot" has a fine score -- but Herrmann would have kept it "all in the family" with his longtime collaborator, Hitchcock.

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Thanks for your comments Ecarle. I think I agree with you. Hitchcock was a very strange artist, who just got stranger as he got older. I think he was very cynical about the human race, and his films reflect that. He was very wealthy and could afford to lose money on a film, and still walk away laughing (he got paid regardless, "Vertigo" was a perfect example of this). After "Marnie", he never used the same director of photography, screenplay writer, or editor again either. He didn't seem to want to share the fame with any other contributing artist anymore. That's Hollywood, the film business, and the entertainment industry in general...!! Might have more to say later...

Regards,

Steve

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I have heard the unused suite of Herrmann's score for Torn Curtain and it is vastly superior to Addison's lame score. Since Herrmann enhanced many of Hitchcock's movies, it is a shame that the loyalty was not returned. Torn Curtain would have been a better movie had they kept Herrmann's score. Also Frenzy's score (I know Hitchcok wanted an all English cast) is quite weak. It needed some of Herrmann's musical abilities to spice it up.

"He should be beaten every Saturday like a dog"

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Hi,
Alfred Hitchcock didn't rejected Herrmann's score. It was Universal Studio Executives who rejected the score of Herrmann.

Executives ordered Hitchcock to order Herrmann to change the score and create a new score for the movie. So Hitchcock didn't had any choice.

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Not true. Hitchcock and Herrmann had a falling out after this incident. The final choice was Hitchcock's and he did not stand by Herrmann's side. Read up on it.

"He should be beaten every Saturday like a dog"

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Universal Executives ordered Hitchcock to tell Bernard Herrmann to make a new score for the movie, because they didn't liked Herrmann's original score for the movie. So Hitchcock didn't had any choice. He had to obey the orders of Executives.

So he ordered Herrmann to make a new score. Herrmann disagreed. And they had a major falling out.

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A little bit of both...

Universal executives did want "Torn Curtain" to have a more hip, "pop" score, perferably with a hit song to go with it.

But if Hitchcock had really supported Herrmann, he probably could have gotten Universal to back off.

Hitchcock himself evidently heard the score and raged at Herrmann that it was the "same old thing." (Which, after "Vertigo" and "Psycho," would actually be pretty damn good.) He fired Herrmann shortly thereafter.

Hitchcock was later quoted as saying he fired Herrmann "because he did not do what I told him to do" -- write a more contempary score.

I'm a Hitchcock fan, but what Hitchcock did to Herrmann stands as the most "provable," least honorable, thing Hitchcock ever did. (He was also supposedly bad to Tippi Hedren, possibly including sexual harrassment, but that story is disputed.)

What's sad is, Hitchcock was indeed probably afraid of the Universal executives even if he personally fired Herrmann. He probably felt he had to...

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(He was also supposedly bad to Tippi Hedren, possibly including sexual harrassment, but that story is disputed.)


Well, not by Hedren:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14931-1555785,00.html

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I have no doubt that "something" happened between Hitchcock and Tippi Hedren over the course of their years working on "The Birds" and "Marnie."

Problem is, Hedren has been rather changing her story in the years since the dubious Hitchcock biographer Donald Spoto wrote in 1983 that Hitchcock made some sort of sexual pass at Hedren.

Other Hitchcock staffers and actors/actresses have suggested that Hedren may have taken wrong Hitchcock's coarse sexual humor. Joan Fontaine said she discussed this personally with Hedren at a Hitchcock event. Hitchcock was always flinging dirty jokes at Fontaine during "Rebecca," to unnerve her as her character was to be unnerved.

Hedren noted that her immediate predescessors -- Kim Novak, Eva Marie Saint, Janet Leigh -- were established stars, two of them with husbands -- and consequently less vulnerable to Hitchcock's advances and/or power trips. Saint and Leigh said Hitchcock was great to them; Novak had professional problems with Hitchcock, who didn't feel she was a good actress and resented her taking over a part he'd planned for Vera Miles.

I have trouble picturing Alfred Hitchcock saying or doing anything overtly sexual. He likely had a crush on Hedren and a belief that "he made her, he could break her."

Hedren's career in movies ended for a variety of reasons. I don't think Hitchcock could have stopped Hedren from maintaining stardom if other things hadn't intervened -- the end of glamour, the crash of studios, the coming of the counterculture, etc.

Bottom line: something happened between Hitchcock and Hedren. We'll never know exactly what, because Hedren herself no longer wants to go too deeply into it.

I'm sure Hitchcock could have been nasty to her professionally -- because look what he did to Bernard Herrmann!

In fact, Hitchcock fired somebody off of every picture he made after Marnie:

Torn Curtain: fired Bernard Herrmann
Topaz: fired an actor playing one of the Cubans.
Frenzy: fired composer Henry Mancini\
Family Plot: fired villain Roy Thinnes early in shooting, replaced him with Wiliam Devane.

...so Hedren may have actually survived Hitchcock's wrath when others did not.

P.S. To counter reports of Hitchcock's nastiness, I've always liked Anthony Perkins quote about working on "Psycho": "Hitchcock was nice and delightful to each and every one of us on Psycho. Great to work with. Since I've heard he was rough on others, maybe ours was the only movie and the only cast where he decided to be a nice guy."

..except I've heard Hitchcock was nasty to John Gavin on that movie.

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I don't think Hitchcock could have stopped Hedren from maintaining stardom if other things hadn't intervened -- the end of glamour, the crash of studios, the coming of the counterculture, etc.


That may be true, but in Hollywood, a two-year gap just when a performer (especially a female one) seems about to take off can prove devastating. Hedren's career doubtlessly lost crucial momentum by having to sit around for two years, but in Hitchcock's defense, they did have a legitimate contract.

Regardless of what may or may not have occurred in the trailer, Hedren's story that Hitchcock grew obsessed with her and pursued her vigorously strikes me as plausible, and not uncommon for that era in Hollywood (or for life in general).

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...it's the nature of that obsession that intrigues me.

Hitch had done it before, with Vera Miles, in the 50's. He saw her on a TV show, put her on contract, directed her in one of his TV shows, gave her the sad, drab lead in "The Wrong Man," and pushed her for "Vertigo." As he did this, he held all sorts of "private tutoring sessions" with Miles, albeit with no sexual overtures. Miles eventually married a macho-man Tarzan actor (Gordon Scott) and got pregnant by him, pulling out of "Vertigo" and enraging Hitch (who nonetheless brought Miles back as a cheap contract player on the cheap "Psycho.")

Hitchcock's next female stars Novak, Saint, and Leigh weren't as "new and untried" as Vera Miles. Hitch couldn't really "control" them (Leigh was married to Tony Curtis at the time.)

However, "Psycho" and the TV show made Hitchcock hugely rich and successful by 1961, and he seems to have really gone looking to "make a star" in Tippi Hedren -- who he saw on a TV commercial.

Hitch had a couple of other blonde actresses on contract AT THE SAME TIME as Hedren, btw: Joanna Moore (then-wife of Ryan O'Neal, mother of Tatum) and Claire Griswold (now-wife of Sydney Pollack). So Hitch was always looking to play "female star maker," in his later years.

The thing is: I'm not so sure any of this was SEXUAL on Hitchcock's part. He swore he was celibate for the last 50 years of his life; other directors were the ones making stars out of their girlfriends.

Tippi Hedren was iconic in "The Birds" and very good in "Marnie," but critics of the time were merciless towards her: "Hitchcock's vanity star," "TV commercials to Grace Kelly?" It was pretty brutal. Having been advanced so rapidly to stardom, Hedren fell victim to internal and external envy. Hurt advancing her career after Hitch dropped her.

Interestingly, the one major movie she made after the Hitchcock period was for Charlie Chaplin: "Countess From Hong Kong" behind Brando and Sophia Loren. But it was a bad movie and Hedren had a thankless role. The end.

Though she's still famous and beautiful today -- and her fame is, ironically enough, still Hitchcock-driven.

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The thing is: I'm not so sure any of this was SEXUAL on Hitchcock's part.


How about romantic?

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Romantic is possible.

Can there be "romantic harrassment"?

Look, if there is one thing one reads about a lot of men -- particularly not particularly handsome men -- who got into the movie business, it was often for one major reason: to meet women.

And if they were producers/directors/casting directors, they literally had the power to hire these women and tell them what to do, how to dress, how to act. The "casting couch" is the dark side, but Hollywood history is filled with leading ladies who fell in love with their father-figure directors (Ingrid Bergman and Roberto Rossellini to Geena Davis and Renny Harlin.)

Hitchcock very likely enjoyed his ability to control and "fashion" the women who came to work for him. Even with the married Eva Marie Saint, Hitchcock prided himself on converting the realistic Method actress into a glamour queen with a wardrobe he picked for her for "North by Northwest." As usual, he fretted and fussed over Saint and made sure she wore in public only what he dictated during her time with him.

With Tippi Hedren, Hitchcock had, as she has said, a "single mother with no power." Hitchcock was hugely rich and powerful in 1962, but also very insecure (he worried he could never top "Psycho" financially; he was right.) The ingredients were there for a very tempestuous relationship, and perhaps a romantic fantasy gone wrong.

Tippi Hedren's daughter, Melanie Griffith, gave a Hitchcock biographer her own assessment of Hitchcock based on his treatment of her mother:

"Hitchcock was a m-----f-----r. And you can quote me on that."

P.S. It is rumored that Hitchcock stars Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly may well have made romantic overtures to HIM. Hitchcock was at his best weight and "best looking" during those years; certainly less attractive, less brilliant, and less powerful filmmakers than him landed pretty girls in Hollywood. I'd consider these passes "possible" -- after all, Ingrid married one of her directors.

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Thanks for your comments everyone. Somewhere at this site (I think it's at "Marnie") there is a link given to a magazine article, that states in no uncertain terms, that Hitchcock made a sexual advance on Tippi Hedren, while they were together in private. It sounded like it was something really nasty like exposing his privates, because she reacted with total repulsion, called him a "fatso", and that was the beginning of the end of their relationship.
I seem to recall that Hitchcock fired Herrmann for a combination of reasons: 1. Their last collaboration, "Marnie", had been a total bomb, and studio executives blamed Herrmann's score for part of the reason. They considered his music too old fashioned for mid-60's tastes. Hitchcock defended him at the time. (Today we look at "Marnie" differently, but it's style was certainly very odd for early 60's, and it's very easy to understand why it was rejected by the audiences of that era. Even the DVD documentary admits to some rather odd artistic decisions made by Hitchcock (sets, costumes, plot alteration), that made it much less entertaining than it could have been.)
2. In production,"Torn Curtain" was already taking a negative turn, with his antagonism toward Paul Newman; a method actor who did not follow his implicit directions. The awkward stageyness of the sets was already creating a sense of foreboding with probable audience rejection and box office failure. The studio executives were losing faith in Hitchcock's ability to make a successful film, and he was becoming aware of that. When he heard Herrmann's score, he knew it would be the final "nail in the coffin" of a doomed production.
Feeling the need to redeem himself (to Universal executives), he made a big show of firing Herrmann, then took desperate measures to try to make the film more commercial. Although John Addison's score was more lightweight, and some plot changes were made, the film still had this rather odd "claustrophobic feeling", and somewhat childish and unimaginative plot twists. Julie Andrews was certainly a poor choice for the heroine, and ruining her "virginity" on screen did not help either...the audiences hated that.
Having said that, I'm shocked that Hitchcock distanced himself from Herrmann for the rest of his life. A man that gave him eight excellent & memorable scores. Even if it was only in friendship, they should have still seen each other once in a while. Who knows..? Maybe Herrmann could have been given another chance on "Topaz", and at least delivered a better score than the dull, tipid one that Maurice Jarre provided. Hitchcock was a weird guy...but that's show biz...!

Regards,

RSGRE

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Irony: Bernard Herrmann died in December of 1975, which was after Hitchcock's final film "Family Plot" was completed (with a John Williams score) for release in April, 1976.

So Bernard Herrmann could have scored the rest of Hitchcock's films after "Marnie." Just barely.

I think Hitchcock always regretted firing Herrmann, even if he felt he had to. Reason: each of the four Hitchcock scores after "Marnie" has a different composer. Hitchcock never got comfortable with any of them as he had been with Herrmann.

John Addison's "Torn Curtain" score has an exciting opening theme, much in the Herrmann tradition, which comes back to help the so-so bus chase sequence. But the romantic, comic, and "sweet" interludes in the score are quite terrible.

Maurice Jarre's "Topaz" has a rather jaunty opening "military theme" and an exotic melody for the Cuban sequences that "hips up" for the Paris sequences, but overall, this is dull "musical wallpaper," neither a bad score nor a good one. Rather shocking from the man who gave us "Lawrence of Arabia" and "The Professionals."

Hitchcock fired the great Henry Mancini off of "Frenzy" and replaced him with Ron Goodwin ("Where Eagles Dare.") If "Frenzy" is the best Hitchcock film after "Marnie," "Frenzy" has pretty much the worst score of them. After an impressively majestic opening theme over London, "Frenzy" turns into industrial strength TV cop show music. What the hell happened here?

For "Family Plot," Hitchcock landed the great John Williams, between his great scores for "Jaws" and "Star Wars." Williams' score is perhaps the most "A-list" element of the modest "Family Plot," a score of whimsey and menace and heavenly choirs in accord with the psychic Madame Blanche.

John Williams provided the "best of the last" Hitchcock scores, but Herrmann should have done all of them after "Marnie." Spielberg always uses John Williams; Blake Edwards always used Henry Mancini. As of 1955, "Hitchcock and Herrmann" were joined at the hip, dual creators of the "Hitchcock world."

P.S. Herrmann's uncompleted score for "Torn Curtain" (about a third of the movie) can be played over the movie on the DVD as a separate track. The overture is as exciting as John Addison's in the released film -- but different, a rather churning, chugging, locomotive kind of Herrmann overture.

Herrmann wrote music for the murder of Gromek...it can be heard in the houseboat finale of Scorcese's "Cape Fear" (1991.)

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Certainly, Herrmann's score would not have made a mediocre movie into a great one. However, I really do think that it would have significantly improved "Torn Curtain". In my opinion, Addison's score was really detrimental to the movie.

I agree that the score for "Family Plot" was the best of the post-Herrmann Hitchcocks. I was not all that displeased with the music for "Frenzy" - the overture was good, and I also seem to recall enjoying the cue when Blaney realizes he's lost his pin and dashes out to the dump to try and retrieve it.

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interesting responses ...just to clarify before Herrmann wrote a note , Universal pressured Hitch to drop the 'old fashioned" Herrmann ,(especially after Herrman lazily recycled the MARNIE score to use in JOY IN THE MORNING very poor !!!) Hitchcock refused and fought to retain Herrmann on the film , promising them a more contemporary sound.. There is noted some specific correspondence between Hitchcock and Herrmann before Hitch went on the set about this new approach in which hitch ends with encouragement and his plea by saying "If you cannot do this then I am the loser:" a heart breaking statement given the facts we know in hindsight ... as usual Herrmann completely ignored any advice and did a huge bombastic score , which again now we can hear and does work nicely in some places and is terrible in other places ( making a mockery of the murder with hysterical music - thank God Hitchcock didn't use that it would have weakened the one brilliant scene in this film ) ..in any case it was a sad ending to a brilliant collaboration for sure

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Interesting remarks. I've heard Herrmann's "Gromek murder music" and I suppose it IS a bit bombastic. It's not like the "Psycho shriek," it does all sorts of dramatic things-- it lurches,it spirals, it plunges, etc. (Bulletin: it plays over the houseboat/hurricane finale of Scorcese's "Cape Fear", btw.)

But Hitchcock could have just dropped it, and let the scene play as it does in the movie anyway: without music.

Hitchcock was under pressure to "get hip", and the funny thing was, he DID. While Billy Wilder kept on working with William Holden, Jack Lemmon,Walter Matthau, Hitchcock was willing to work with Sean Connery, Paul Newman, Julie Andrews, and later Bruce Dern and Karen Black.

Still, Herrmann was an inestimable part of "Hitchcock's aura," and I think he owed it to Benny to keep him to the end. Like a Hitchcock movie, even a lesser Herrmann score is better than most everybody else's.

I particularly miss a Herrmann score on "Frenzy," Hitchcock's best movie made after "Marnie" -- and with the worst post-Herrmann score.

P.S. Hitchcock not only fired Herrmann off of "Torn Curtain," he didn't HIRE cinematographer Robert Burks for it. Hitch himself was evidently trying to rid himself of his past collaborators, however great.

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I agree Ecarle the credits and some of the sequences in "TORN CURTAIN" that we can see with the Herrmann music are atmospheric and moody like the best of the Hitchcock/Herrmann collaborations giving them that other worldly quality they mastered ..
Hitch could have dropped the music for the murder sequence and kept the rest ,.it is too bad that he did not do that in the end..the scores (Addison and the weak FRENZY score ) are especially disappointing,
maybe Burks was getting uncooperative with the 'natural lighting' Hitchcock kept trying to perfect ?

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Hi everyone, been away a long time,nice to see all of yours (and surprised to see how lengthy one of mine was!). An interesting fact I learned was that Hitch was planning to use Robert Burks again for "Topaz", but him and his wife both died in their house fire(see the Robert Burks site here). I am still surprised that Hitch refused to even see/talk to Herrmann in his later years...old age stubborness...so sad...
RSGRE

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Actually, Herrmann had a huge temper. Hitchcock warned Herrmann in the very beginning through a letter that he needed a romantic type of music score. And Hitchcock was also pressured by Universal Executives. Its really easy to blame Hitchcock.

Hitchcock dislikes arguing or quarreling. The only time he ever publicly yelled was when he heard the score of Henry Mancini for Frenzy. Herrmann told Charlotte Chandler like this "Hitch was strong enough to have been able to do anything he wanted to do. But he never liked to stir things up, to quarrel, and he didn't think my music was worth disturbing the calm for."

Many years later, Hitchcock told an interviewer that he is willing to work with Herrmann. But Herrmann must do what he is told to do.

It was Hitchcock who decided to hire him. And it was Hitchcock who decided to discharge him.

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Thanks for your comments sonysunu...of course, if both had lived until the re-release of those five Hitchcock films in 1983 (Rear Window, Vertigo, the Trouble with Harry, The Man who Knew too much, & Rope), they might have finally reunited..but they were both long gone by then (Benny in 1976, Hitch in 1980).
You mentioned the similarity in melody between "Marnie" & "Joy in the Morning"...yes...many have noted that. Herrmann also repeated earlier themes in "Jason & the Argonauts", indicating that his great period of originality had come to an end...the creative juices were finally ebbing with approaching old age...it happens to everyone if they live long enough. He may have also started to suffer from the old age affliction of reversing letters (only in his case...music notes)...giving his music an even greater dissonance and discordance (and "Torn Curtain" might have been just such an indication of that).
That's Hollywood..!!
RSGRE

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Old age affliction???

That's a bit harsh and more importantly, not true.

Bernard Herrmann was 54 years old at the time of Torn Curtain's production.

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Lew Wassermann (Head of Universal) held a grudge against Herrmann. He is responsible for the fall of Herrmann/Hitchcock Partnership.

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In fact, Hitchcock fired somebody off of every picture he made after Marnie:

Torn Curtain: fired Bernard Herrmann
Topaz: fired an actor playing one of the Cubans.
Frenzy: fired composer Henry Mancini\
Family Plot: fired villain Roy Thinnes early in shooting, replaced him with Wiliam Devane.

...so Hedren may have actually survived Hitchcock's wrath when others did not.


But trouble was brewing even before Torn Curtain.
Hitch had the falling out with Hedren during Marnie,
and he fired the screenwriter for Marnie.
Very unfortunate that after Hitchcock's career had been going up and up,
so many things started to unravel after The Birds.

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I started this thread way back in 2006, thanks for all your comments everyone.
We will leave this all for the ages now. Hitchcock has been gone over 30 years, Herrmann over 34, and even Paul Newman passed away not too long ago. Thank you one and all...
RSGRE

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"..except I've heard Hitchcock was nasty to John Gavin on that movie".

I understood it more as Hitchcock bad-mouthed Gavin behind his back. On the set, I don't think there was any open hostility between them. But while Hitchcock loved Anthony Perkins and thought him talented, sensitive, and approved of his small suggestions for wardrobe and line changes, he did not feel the same way toward John Gavin. Hitchcock considered Gavin to be a stiff actor and his suggestions for wardrobe and line changes were stupid and made no sense.

As for Hermann's score, I think that if they were to release a DVD with Hermann's score replacing Addison, it would be like a whole other movie. It might not become the classic North by Northwest is, but the difference would still be like night and day. Hitch should have fought harder to retain Hermann's score. Hell, if I heard Addison's score, I would have gone on my knees to Hermann apologizing and begging him to come back with a pay raise.

As for his last movies, Topaz's score is initially annoying but gets better the more times you watch the movie. Sometimes it has cheerful music during suspenseful parts, which doesn't make any sense. Has anyone heard Mancini's original Frenzy overture? It's so much more appropriate and sinister than Ron Goodwin's score. Reportedly, Hitch screamed at Mancini that, "if I had wanted Hermann, I would have hired him!" I don't even care for Frenzy much, but I think Mancini's score would have made the film better. Mancini's scores are usually superb. By far John Williams' score for Family Plot was the best of Hitchcock's last movies. It even sounds like Bernard Hermann.

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According to Herrmann the executives wanted an opening theme song for no extra pay. Herrmann refused so they fired him. His score is definitely better than the one in the final film. He blamed Hitchcock. In this period some studio executives who were musical ignoramuses were doing stuff like this. William Walton was fired from Battle of Britain in favor of Ron Goodwin, the ultimate hack Composer. Pretty soon most movie scores were becoming bad pop/rock pastiches anyway. The symphonic movie score was dying out.

Howard Roller

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The biggest pop hit would not have helped this movie . . . though, yes, the Herman score is wonderful . . . one of the few pluses in this work . . .

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I dissagree. On itself the score sounds better, but Herrmann did not even seem to try what Hitch wanted to achieve here. He failed and gave the film a far darker score than Hitch had in mind. In fact, I think Hitch was right for wanting a lighter score.

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