Am I alone in saying that Hitch was completely correct in not wanting to cast Julie Andrews in this role? Can I even begin the list the thousands of ways that she was a horrible fit? Pathetic performance. She alternates from pathetic, to sappy, and comes full circle to detestable. UGGH! I spent most of what was a lovely movie wanting to throttle her. There was absolutley NO chemistry between Paul and she. It was like being forced to watch cousins kissing. BLECCHH...
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Quite honestly, I enjoyed her performance, as well as Newman's. Their chemistry together was lovely, and it was refreshing to see Andrews in a Hitchcockian role. She's a helluva lot better actress than Eva Marie Saint, too.
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What? Julie Andrews a better actress than Eva Marie Saint? Check out "On the Waterfront" or "North by Northwest", not only is Eva Marie leagues ahead of Andrews she's also far sexier.
They are both great in their own ways. Just that mystery-thriller isn't really meant for Julie Andrews. Probably her weakess performance. Her strengths are best displayed in family-friendly films (Save "Victor/Victoria", her only major acting breakthrough)
I read Hitchcock's biography and it turns out that Andrews didnt really wanted the role either, but her agent convinced her to participate in the film due to Hitchcock's reputation. Just like Universal convincing him to accept Andrews due to her box office draw at that time (This film did decently well at the box office despite poor reviews from the critics). Anyway, I felt that she wasn't too bad afterall.
This is what happened during the collaboration between the 2 of them: Hitchcock wasn't pleased with Andrews' enormous salary demand for her participation as the film's budget was already pretty tight. During their first meeting, Hitchcock suggested breaking off her family-friendly image with a bed scene in the beginning, Andrews was pleased with his suggestion. However, their communication stops there. They always speak well of each other, but nothing more. This resulted in Hitchcock having problem directing her due to his lack of understanding of her.
That's why you would notice that Andrews' appearance fizzles out in the middle as Hitchcock decided to place more emphasis on Paul Newman. Andrews herself was disappointed that her role shrunked. However, Hitchcock had much more problems working with Newman. Therefore, towards the end of the film, their screentime more or less balance out with them appearing together all the way.
Based of the biography description of Hitchcock's attitude then, I believe he wanted to make "Torn Curtain" as a characters-based story, but resorted to plot-driven conclusion when his initial plan failed. That could be the reason why "Torn Curtain" becomes his second-rate work. Still a watchable film though.
Hitchcock wanted Eva Marie Saint for the leading female role in Torn Curtain. But the studio forced him to cast Julie Andrews. Hitchcock taught her a lot about the use of lenses in the films. Julie Andrews mentioned about this in an interview.
But Hitchcock was very dissatisfied with performance given by Julie Andrews and Paul Newman. Another problem was the script. Hitchcock was very unhappy with the script. He wanted to do more rewritings on the script. But he couldn't rewrite the script, due to the limited availabilty of Julie Andrews. But I think he enjoyed working with her than Paul Newman. Hitchcock found Paul Newman's attitude very disrespectful.
Yeah, I agree. Paul Newman was great, Julie Andrews was so-so. I felt she was just pathetic at times and I never felt that they were in love, or that he even liked her that much.
Even when she was "dumped" by Newman before he defected, she didn't seem overly upset or angry. It was like, "OK, well, I'll go home now"!
You are not alone in saying that Hitch was completely correct in not wanting her. Julie Andrews was an overrated actress and it was not only her lackluster acting that fouled things up for Hitchcock. Having starred in the stage version of "My Fair Lady" it was a real body blow to Julie Andrews' ego when Audrey Hepburn was cast to star in the movie version. But after Mary Poppins and Sound of Music she became arrogant and greedy. Both she and Newman demanded a million dollars apiece, (by contrast Janet Liegh only got $30,000 for her role in "Psycho"). Hitch was justifiably outraged but I believe his hands were tied by Universal Studios and he had to go along with it. Andrews' greed had also led her to sign on for far too many other movie contracts at that time and her limited availability forced Hitch's hand; with such a tight schedule he had to rush into shooting Torn Curtain when he was still very far from happy with the script. After the film bombed both Andrews and Newman then had the gall to blame Hitchcock's direction and the bad script for their lousy performances.
There is so little fact and so much hubris in your screed that it is ALMOST daunting to refute you.
ALMOST.
Fact: Hitchcock wanted another actress for the female lead. Eva Marie Saint is most often mentioned as his choice and she would have been fine acting-wise but, at age 42, was simply too old to be credible in the part. She was also not anywhere near a box office name. Julie Andrews was 29 at the time filming began and well on her way to being the number one box office star on the planet.
Fact: Universal did not want Saint. They wanted a top money-maker and they got that with both Andrews and Newman (it was, at the time, Universal's biggest commercial success ever--not a bomb--a record broken the next year by another Julie Andrews film, THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE). The stars earned every cent of their respective salaries and delivered a highly popular entertainment.
Fact: Andrews created the original stage role in MY FAIR LADY which Audrey Hepburn filmed. This has nothing to do with TORN CURTAIN at all. Even a little.
Your snide contention that Andrews became arrogant and greedy after the extraordinary and unprecedented successes of MARY POPPINS and THE SOUND OF MUSIC is entirely subjective and has no verifiable basis in fact.
FACT: Any salary demands made by Andrews' representation [and Newman's] was a matter of standard industry economics and practice, and remains so to this day. Hitchcock was as aware of this as anybody and, if you knew anything useful about the movie business at all, so would you.
Andrews' other commitments at the time were important only to the extent that Hitchcock had repeatedly sought to delay filming because of his own dissatisfactions with the screenplay but was unable to do so. The Universal brass did not want to lose momentum or indulge Hitchcock, who was getting more and more lukewarm on the project with each passing day.
FACT: Whatever complaints Hitchcock had--justifiable or otherwise--the source of those disputes was with the studio, not with his either of his leads or the cost of their participation. Using their star status to secure financing and to sell tickets, and then turning around to blame that very status for a second-rate script, smacks of petulance.
FACT: Hitchcock had no on-set problems of any kind with Andrews, despite the verifiable and appalling lack of respect he showed her. Example: there is a line in the film where one of the characters expresses disappointment that an unexpected change in plans will deprive him of "the company of a beautiful girl," referring to Andrews' character. In front of the entire production crew, Hitchcock asked "Is that not a bit much? Could we not perhaps say "lovely" girl instead?" The incident was hurriedly glossed over and the line remained as originally written, but Hitchcock's singular lack of chivalry cast a chill.
FACT: Newman had inadvertently offended Hitch at a dinner party just prior to filming when he eschewed Hitchcock's offer of an expensive wine with dinner-- opting instead for beer--and he sought to have input into the screenplay (something Andrews' professional upbringing would never have allowed). Hitch resented this on its face as unwarranted interference from an actor ("I never said 'actors are cattle; I said they should be treated as cattle'"), despite the fact that HIS primary complaint was that the screenplay wasn't in good enough shape to film.
FACT: Andrews never publicly berated Hitchcock for the final product and, to this day, she has never been anything less than gracious (or circumspect, when pressed) in discussing the experience.
FACT: Hitchcock did not respond with similar respect or professionalism and the upshot was that no major star ever again consented to work for him, and he never had another success either critically or commercially.
FACT: The world premiere of TORN CURTAIN was held in Boston in the summer of 1966 (my hometown). Neither star appeared, which perhaps spoke louder than words. Much was made of their absence (though both were filming elsewhere and easily excused) and that is, in retrospect, one reason why Hitchcock subsequently bad-mouthed them live and in print. Again, it was hypocritical to have treated them poorly and then blame them for not more actively promoting the film. Had he been more gracious, they may each have felt a greater obligation or desire to publicly support the product upon its release.
FACT: Most critics disliked the picture, which had zero effect on its box office performance. Only the "death in a farmhouse" sequence received any genuine praise for originality or impact at the time of its release. To some extent, the criticism was based on disappointment. This was Hitchcock's 50th film and a lot of hype was focused on that event, as well as the anticipation of its leads--Paul Newman, Julie Andrews & Lila Kedrova, both of whom had won Oscars on the same night, and shortly before principal photography was underway.
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Some good facts in there, millidil, to be sure. Well reasoned.
I offer one caveat, however:
While I agree that Hitchcock's bad-mouthing of Newman and Andrews probably helped convince other stars to never work with him in any of his later films(though the poor critical reputations of "The Birds," "Marnie" and "Torn Curtain" may have also helped), I don't agree that Hitchcock never had a commercial or critical hit after "Torn Curtain."
He had one out of three: "Frenzy" (1972.) Raves from the major magazines and newspapers; plenty of "1972 Ten Best Film" lists. And word is, "Frenzy" made more money(on its low production costs) than any Hitchcock film chronologically after "Psycho."
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From what I've read, Hitchcock understood star salaries in 1965/66, but he didn't like them. One problem seems to be that while modernly, if big stars are landed, production money is ADDED to the budget, with "Torn Curtain," the big Andrews/Newman salaries forced Hitchcock to cut his production budget elsewhere. Hence, the somewhat "cheap" look of the film, with so many Southern California stand-in locales for East Germany.
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Julie Andrews was in mega-hit material with "Mary Poppins" and "The Sound of Music," but she certainly strikes me as being a major reason they WERE mega-hits. She "carried" the human interest of both films, and played Mary Poppins with a delightfully inscrutable air(she's a "tough love nanny" but has clear affection for Dick Van Dyke, for instance) that helped earn her that Oscar along with her singing voice and industry resentment of Jack Warner.
But Andrews couldn't bust through to the 70's. Musicals were considered poison once the 70's began, and Andrews was in two losers to go with her winners: "Star" and "Darling Lili."
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I'm not sure if Eva Marie Saint would have been better in "Torn Curtain"(her age may well have been a factor), but Julie Andrews just doesn't strike me as suitable in ANY Hitchcock picture save the Joan Fontaine roles or some of the early British stuff.
Honestly: imagine Julie Andrews in "Notorious" or "Rear Window" or "Vertigo" or "North by Northwest" or "Psycho." It doesn't compute. I think Hitchcock instinctively knew this, and perhaps Andrews should have. Their shared British heritage was no particular link of consequence.
I think that the 1966 Julie Andrews is a very pretty woman, particularly in some tight sweaters Hitchcock puts her in, but she has to spend a lot of the movie in a heavy coat and (during the bus scene) in a scarf that makes her look like a cleaning lady.
Andrews' character matters in the first two acts when she thinks that Newman has betrayed his country, but Hitchcock indeed "took the movie away from her" as the film went on. Newman anchors the two great scenes in the movie -- the killing of Gromek and the chalkboard duel with the professor. Andrews is MIA at those times.
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There is the matter of the "poor script." Hitchcock himself said it wasn't up to snuff (one reason he didn't take writer's credit, it is said, was so he could blame writers for bad movies.)
I'm not sure how many re-writes it would take to make that script a Hitchcock classic. Some stories are just not meant to BE classics. "Torn Curtain" suffices as a film with some interesting scenes and ideas.
I don't think replacing Julie Andrews would have improved the story.
I think Eva Marie Saint was the right choice for the leading female role in Torn Curtain. Due to casting of Paul Newman and Julie Andrews, Hitchcock had some many problems.
Like Marnie, Torn Curtain's original budget was only $3 million. But everything changed when Universal forced Hitchcock to cast Paul Newman and Julie Andrews. Just for casting of both Newman and Andrews, Hitchcock and the Studio had to spent $1.8 million dollars. Hitchcock wanted to do extensive rewritings on the script. But he couldn't do it, because of the limited availability of Julie Andrews. I think Universal ended up spenting $6 million for Torn Curtain.
Hitchcock may have been rude to say that Julie was "lovely" instead of "beautiful," but he was honest. Most people would consider Julie to be attractive, cute, but not really gorgeous. Part of the reason she was passed over for the My Fair Lady film was not just because Audrey Hepburn was the bigger movie star at the time, but because Audrey truly was considered "beautiful" by most standards. So while Hitch may have been rude, his opinion was probably not far off the mark from most people's opinions at that time. Even Alan Jay Lerner, who lobbied for Andrews' casting in the My Fair Lady film (and failed) said that she was "as beautiful as anyone would decide her to be". That basically translates as "she's not considered universally beautiful, although certainly attractive".
As for Torn Curtain, Julie gives the weakest performance I've ever seen her in, but it's not her fault. The script doesn't give her much opportunity to shine and she has so little to do. NO actress, no matter how great, could have carried off the part as it was written. Hitch should also have been more nurturing and caring towards her rather than being aloof and hands-off. That was the way he normally directed actors, but in this case he should have given her more help and encouragement. It could have helped her performance a bit more.
Eye of the beholder... While I agree that Audrey Hepburn was a beautiful woman, I also feel that Julie Andrews is incredibly beautiful (and didn't ever need Marni Nixon to sing for her). This movie was not Julie's forte by a long shot. Totally miscast in a movie with a weak script...as was Paul Newman. I don't think even Eva Marie Saint could've saved this one.
The movie would have been just as bad with a whole different cast. Newman and Andrews talents were wasted in a lazy and sloppy film. Hitchcock didn`t like the film either--before he even made it.
I just watched the movie and Julie Andrews almost acts solely as a pretty face. Throughout the whole middle of the movie, she acts almost as a prop or backdrop. However, she does seem to do quite well in the beginning of the movie, and then in the end of the movie her role seems to pick up a bit. I don't really know if it is Julie Andrews' fault, its seems to me that the script may be partially to blame. Besides the beginning she doesn't really get any good lines or notable scenes. Good enough movie, but it definitely could have been better!
Hitchcock didn't want Julie Andrews for the leading female role. He wanted Eva Marie Saint. But the studio forced him to cast Julie Andrews. Hitchcock wanted to do extensive rewritings on the script. But he couldn't do it, because of limited availability of Julie Andrews.
In the documentary Torn Curtain RIsing it says that he was persuaded to cast her because she was so popular at the time. He also had problems with Newman because he was a method actor unlike most actors Hitch had worked with in the past, and liked to be involved in things and stuff.