I know early on the captain said that all enlisted men would be required to fight on deck if needed. This makes no sense when it comes to Holman their engineer. I would think that any captain would put his task of running the ships engines as far more important than using a gun.... Even with the Chinese workers. Yet they sent him on missions on shore several times including when he found Frenchy dead. Between this and the mutiny that wasn't called out the show seemed to break away from logic from time to time. Then again I never read the book.
Even though you haven't read the novel, each of your complaints is actually explained satisfactorily within the film.
I would think that any captain would put his task of running the ships engines as far more important than using a gun.... Even with the Chinese workers.
As the ship approaches the river conflict, Holman receives the order "Minimum crew in the engine spaces!" That demonstrates the Captain's understanding that efficient engine operation must not be compromised, even as he calls for more sailors on deck to fight. Notice also that as senior engineering officer, Holman does not stay below himself but leaves Stawski in charge below. Despite their personal antagonism toward each other, Holman quickly chooses to leave Stawski in relative safety out of combat, apparently from recognizing Stawski as the next-most-capable with the engine after himself.
Also, remember that the Chinese laborers had jumped ship long ago. The Yanks are completely on their own.
Yet they sent him on missions on shore several times including when he found Frenchy dead. Between this and the mutiny that wasn't called out the show seemed to break away from logic from time to time.
Here's why these weren't the violations of logic that you thought:
1) The senior engineer wasn't vital to the engine or the ship as long as it was docked (as the San Pablo would not be going anywhere as long as crew members were ashore).
2) Holman himself went ashore only when it was necessary to the story. He had to be part of Ensign Bordelles' detail to the China Light mission in order to meet Shirley again. (Without that second meeting and conversation, he would not even have spoken to her aboard the San Pablo after Po-Han's death.)
Then during their ship's winter siege, Lt. Collins had announced that since there would be no liberty granted, each sailor would have the chance to make the regular mail drop to the U.S. consulate once; and narratively, it's important for three reasons that Holman to take what is simply his turn at leaving the ship on that solo mission. First, because it's established (suspensefully) that he intends to desert; second, because while ashore he will discover Frenchy's fate; and third, that sequence leads directly to the Chinese activists obtaining Holman's name from inside the hat he will lose. Which itself leads to the mutiny you reference.
It's understandable that anyone who misunderstands the mutiny would also have trouble grasping the essence of this story. Leave aside the brilliant resolution to that sequence: Holman (the isolated sailor who related to machinery more than to other people, yet who had formed two good friendships aboard that ship only to lose them both), single-handedly despising the entire crew as much as they collectively hate him, passing alone through their midst after the mutiny to barricade himself in protective isolation, down below with his beloved engine.
The mutiny marked the last rupture not only between Holman and the rest of the crew, but also in the Captain's rationalization about naval regulations and discipline. The isolation of Collins' obsession with his duty is tied to his explanation to Ensign Bordelles (and the viewers) that the day's mutiny has not gone down on paper yet -- meaning that it didn't officially happen. But had it been logged, Collins would have become the first U.S. naval officer in history against whom a crew had mutinied. It's to evade the truth and the shame of such a history, more than the need to rescue the China Light missionaries (who become justifying pawns serving Collins' need to rationalize), that makes the officer defy his own orders for the first time, in order to erase his humiliation by launching a potentially heroic -- but also a sham -- military action.
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You did some serious studying of this film. Thanks for pointing all that out. Never served myself I'm not too sure about procedures. I just thought Holman's position would be one of the most important on the ship so it was hard to figure why he kept being put into potentially dangerous situations away from the ship. One thing though. I couldn't help but to keep thinking how in just a few years these same Chinese would be wishing the Americans were still there after the Japanese invaded them. It'd be "Yankee Come Back" at that point
You did some serious studying of this film. Thanks for pointing all that out. Never served myself I'm not too sure about procedures.
You're welcome! Although my father enlisted in the Navy during World War II, I never served either; but whenever you post about any film on this site, you should expect that your thread will be found by somebody who counts that picture as a favorite -- and THE SAND PEBBLES happens to be the only military movie among my personal top 10. So yes ... I've studied it seriously. (Excellent story, characters, performances, direction, production, and music; eight Academy Award nominations, all lost. That helped teach me, while still young, not to tie the Oscars to real merit.)
I wasn't trying to chew you out, he88, but only hope I dealt well enough with your stated objections. No -- I also hope that if you ever watch SAND PEBBLES again, you'll enjoy it better next time!
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Very informative post. I never served either but Ships and military movies have always interested me. Just curious if you have ever seen Away all Boats. I definitely include that with my favorites right up there with The Sand Pebbles. I just received the book by K. Dodson but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
I just stopped back in here, boutetr, to see whether the Original Poster ever provided an updated reaction to THE SAND PEBBLES.
No, I'm unfamiliar with AWAY ALL BOATS but now I have your alert. However, I'll share with you that the other nautical pictures prominent on my personal radar are THE SEA HAWK (1940), PASSAGE TO MARSEILLE (1944), IN HARM'S WAY (1965), and MORITURI (also '65). If you allow civilian tales aboard smaller craft, then add THE BREAKING POINT (1950) and ISLANDS IN THE STREAM (1977), two Hemingway adaptations that have small but fiercely devoted followings, including me.
By the way, the talent of SAND PEBBLES composer Jerry Goldsmith is further displayed within IN HARM'S WAY, MORITURI, and ISLANDS IN THE STREAM. Along with SAND PEBBLES, ISLANDS is on my personal list of Top-10 films; it was one of Goldsmith's favorites among his own work until the end of his life; and it's one of the most dramatically effective uses of Panavision ever made. It's a movie I always recommend to people who love life, the sea, or both.
Most great films deserve a more appreciative audience than they get.
Thanks for the movie picks. Checked some out and Morituri looks great. Yul Bryner, Marlon Brando and Trevor Howard in the same flick bodes well for it. The others looked pretty interesting too. Looking forward to checking them all out. A couple others I like that you might not be aware of is Damn the Defiant(1962) and The Wreck of the Mary Deare(1959).
The only logic that was being violated was strict military logic, but Capt. Collins wasn't running his ship "by the book." Having a Chinese crew on board was against naval protocol, but Collins' logic was, it's better to have more firepower on deck, than to waste his men below. He didn't understand the complexities of his own vessel. "....as long as we move and smoke boils out of our stack, we'll make the impression I want to make on the Chinese."
In the book, Collins doesn't die at the end. He leaves Holman behind to fight the troops, while he and the others make their way back to the ship. As in the movie, Holman is killed.