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Everyone Read This Thread! MUST READ!


I don't say that just to get attention... Everyone must read this thread, and as it goes, you will see why!

Last night, April 28, 2007, The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, in Hollywood at the Linwood Dunn Theater on Vine, screened a BRAND NEW 65mm print of Grand Prix. It is a small theater, maybe 250 seats, but with a REAL screen. None of this multiplex crap.

We were there.

And it was spectacular. The colour was so alive, the detail of the image was insane, the sound was just like being at a real race. It is 6 track audio, but not magnetic.

I am 41 years old. The movie was released shortly after my first birthday. As such, I never saw it in the theater. I became aware of the film in the late 1980s, but never expected to see it on TV, let alone on a big screen.

A few years ago, Speed Channel dug it out of the archives, dusted it off and presented it. I have watched it two or three times that way (more or less). I had planned on getting on DVD - still do.

Last Wednesday night, a friend told me about the screening, and gave me two extra tix (tickets for these are available only at the Academy, or the Samuel Goldwyn Theater - I think - no Internet), and they are only $5.00!

As part of the Academy's "Sound Camera Action!" series, they made a new print (to the tune of $8,000.00) off the ORIGINAL 65mm Cinerama negative.

I did have a chance to chat with Mrs. Frankenheimer. She was most gracious. Told me a funny story, I paraphrase: Back in the 60s, when it was in its original theatrical release, teens would get high off a joint and go to the theater, watching the film from the front row! Just too funny.

James Garner was NOT there. Get that out right now, cause I can bet people will say he was.

I hope this print goes on the road. The chair of the committee that put this series together made no reference to that happening.

This was an experience not soon forgotten.

You can all officially hate me now. :)

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Hate you? No way! Yes, you're a lucky SOB, but why would anyone begrudge you this fabulous experience? Not me!

My home theater showing was wonderful - I can only imagine what it must be like on a really big screen. I'll have sweet dreams of that tonight!

Congratulations! Let's hope that someone will circulate that print. It would be a damned shame for it to sit in a can somewhere. This film was made to be seen. Big. And loud.

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It was a special experience.

I really hope they send that reel on the road. It would be a shame to lock it up... but that's preservation. One way or the other, that print has to survive.

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I can't imagine what it looked like. Watching it on HD was already pretty amazing. Right away from the beginning, with the Monaco race, you're stumped.

These guys went around the track driving WHAT?!?

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Damn that is soooooooo cool.

I met James Garner at the old Saugus Speedway, he said Grand Prix was great fun and he enjoyed the driving he did.

We don't hate you, I just wish I was there.

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Thats cool man!

Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.. -- Ayrton Senna (1960-1994)

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No hate here, my friend! That must have been some experience. Congratualtions, and thanks for sharing.
I remember seeing the movie in the theaters many times in my youth, and would cherish the opportunity to see it again.
The DVD is well worth it...


"Always choose the lesser of two weevils."

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Thats fantastic, you lucky, lucky person. I'd love to see this at my cinema but in 65mm, and a new print would be amazing.

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Very cool.

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Wow, you are so lucky...I won't hate you, but envy comes to mind! :-) I'll have to content myself with an HD DVD on a big plasma, with a kicking surround sound system. Even so, nothing's going to come close to a real race; I was standing a hundred feet or so from the track at an F1, right where the drivers would upshift from 3d to 4th, and each shift felt like I was getting punched in the stomach, so great was the impact of laying down that much power.

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Abogus, You have to be the luckiest person in the world. This was the film tha got me interested in John Frankenheimer films and I wish he had lived to put his commentary on the dvd. Many people have commented on the fact they saw this movie in the big cinerama screen and was well worth it. Wish I was there with you for the movie. My best. You are one lucky person. Count your blessings. Rich

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Those of us that are old enough to have seen the original theatrical release are happy for you!

I just have seen this again on TV on a DVD from my local library. This is the first time I have seen it since watching it it a theater in the summer of 1968. It was an incredible experience seeing it on the big screen - this must be the best auto racing movie ever in terms of the racing itself, and not a bit of it CGI, of course.

The race scenes are so good that they work even on the small screen, although not quite to the same degree. Most of it is the incredible camera mounts, on the actors' cars (all but Brian Bedford did their own driving, in Formula 3 cars that looked very similiar) and a special separate camera car that also provided footage. At each race, the movie would first shoot their scripted version, and then also shoot the actual Gran Prix immediately afterward. The "real" race footage was eventually edited in with the staged movie races for the final resulting version.

The other spectacular part was the sound. The engines just scream at a high pitch and actually sound much better to me than the V-8 engines of more recent years, although those have their own excitement, too.

Spoiler notice! The final race has some of the best sights and sounds. This race was the Italian GP at Monza. Part of the course at Monza was an oval layout with severerly banked corners that must be seen to be believed. This banking allowed the drivers even in the real Formula 1 cars during the "real" race to run through them at full throttle. At those speeds, the centrifugal force on those banked sections pushed the cars down and used up most of the play in the suspensions, making the handling very tricky.

However, this section of the track made for extended times of basically full throttle running that produces incredible footage and sounds. There are trees on both sides of the track in much of this part of the layout (although on the high side of the track they are not always visible), and they fly by at unbelievable speed. Apparently, this track was perhaps the most intimidating even to the actual racers, for obvious reasons. What a spectacular finish to a racing movie that will probably never be equalled!

After viewing it on TV again, and not being disappointed in spite of the small screen, I would have to say that it would be a shame to not have this released again in theaters. I remember from my first viewing in 1968 that there may not have been another movie that even comes close to this one in making you feel that you are experiencing the action yourself. Let's hope there is a way to get this back in the theaters; if it does come out, don't miss it!

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I am 50 years old and my bud's dad was a Vasek Polak mechanic who would do neat stuff like build them miniature "formula" cars with good looking fiberglass bodies to drive and they just thought this movie was tops. I saw it also and boy did it make an impression. Plays great on my 13 inch screen but how I would love to see it in a theater again.

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One correction to my earlier post: I have since done a little checking into the history of the Italian GP at Monza. This race was the final one in the movie, which determined that year's fictional Formula 1 championship.

Amazingly, it turns out that even though the movie race ran the full 10KM Monza course in their scripted, fictional race, the actual Formula 1 Italian GP last utilized the high-banked oval section shown in the movie in the 1961 Italian GP. Apparently, the comments of the racers in the movie accurately represented the opinions of the actual Formula 1 racers of that era concerning the oval section with the extremely banked, long curves. This section was deemed too dangerous by them! Think about what that means - these drivers were already dying at a rate of about a couple per year, and yet they considered Monza the most dangerous layout, at least the banked oval section, and too dangerous to use. The characters in the movie explained why it was so dangerous (a combination of centrifigal force compressing the suspensions leaving virtually no play in them, and remaining at full throttle and full speed through that whole section). If the suspensions had been stiffened for this part of the track, they would have been too stiff for the rest of the track at Monza (the Road Course portion). Even the remaining Road Course has been modified in subsequent years to reduce the high speeds that it produced because of long straights and few tight corners. So, perhaps unwittingly, this final race of the movie turns out to be a spectacular piece of history, showcasing the high-banked oval portion of Monza. While this section was still used until about 1970 for other classes of race cars, it has never been used for the top Formula 1 cars since 1961, and never will be again. In fact, there is a political battle that has gone on for about 15 years with some environmentalists wanting to tear out this section and replace it with trees.

Normally, I would say more trees are a good thing. However, if they can renovate and save the now decaying oval portion of the track, this would preserve one of the most interesting layouts in racing history. Further, apparently because of the advent of aerodynamic ground-effect features in the cars that became common by the 1970's, there will almost certainly never be another track like this again, at least for the highest classes of race cars. Even if the movie did not have this unique footage, it would still contain the most spectatular racing action ever filmed. Because of the scenes from this long-abandoned high-banked oval section, however, it also has preserved one of the most intriguing and fascinating parts of racing history.

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