How do they learn to read?
When no books are allowed in this society since a long time, how did Montag and the others guys learn to read?
shareWhen no books are allowed in this society since a long time, how did Montag and the others guys learn to read?
shareGood one
Maybe it was the "send a thief to catch a thief" syndrome.
Firemen maybe learned to read only for to recognize filthy literature?
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badgers? badgers!? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGERS!!!
had the same thought. seemed like a major plot hole. One could say if this "BURN BOOKS-dictatorship" is relatively new, the older people would still be able to read. (Such as the old woman with the gigantic library)
but what about the others?
I though it would've been an interesting extra plot line if Montag steals a book, like Copperfield, discovers it's too hard for him and then goes looking for a teacher (probably the girl, who's learned it, say, from her uncle)
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Two things.
One - the fire captain walks through the old lady's library and summarizes the plots of books he finds and why they are upsetting to society. Obviously he has read these books, or been taught about them by someone who has. That may lead one to believe that the banning of books is a recent turn of events in the world of the movie.
The other thing is that when we see Montag first read, he does it very deliberately and slowly -- like a child (he even reads the publisher's info, something most readers would know not to do). Although he has the capability for basic reading, he's clearly teaching himself to "really" read.
My theory: It's not books per se that are banned - it's *fiction* books that are banned. You'd almost have to have some sort of manuals, even simple ones, for building fire trucks and TV stations and monorails. It was the concept of fiction that seemed to be the problem, as spelled out by the fire captain - "it just makes people want things they can never have."
Forgive me from contradicting you but it is ALL books which are banned.
When they're raiding the old lady's secret library, the Captain says to Montag that the "Philosophy books are worse than the novels", and he also goes on to point out a variety of memoirs and personal journals, among which ironically is Mein Kampf by Hitler. ("We must burn ALL the books" the Captain says, holding this book up)
What I find rather chilling about the inclusion of Mein Kampf, is that it's a book that most people wouldn't mind seeing burned anyway, however, when you do that, you start down the slippery slope which leads to a society as depicted in the book/film. When you decide to erase a particular work from history, where do you stop if you do at all?
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true those books in the classroom for firemen are blank books so yes
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'What I find rather chilling about the inclusion of Mein Kampf, is that it's a book that most people wouldn't mind seeing burned anyway, however, when you do that, you start down the slippery slope which leads to a society as depicted in the book/film. When you decide to erase a particular work from history, where do you stop if you do at all?'
I agree. That's why I liked the inclusion of Mein Kampf. I interpreted it as a criticism of the real society (outside of the movie). Censorship is censorship and it's hypocritical to agree with the overall message of the movie, but to feel that Mein Kampf should be banned/burned.
Mao Zedong was one of the most well educated communist leader of his time and yet when the communists completely took over, he started banning all the classical literature along with traditional cultural values. it could be in that society only the very elite few behind the government could read and write well and keeping the general public ignorant was a form of control. like other posters said, the population were probably taught simple vocabularies to use for every day life, and even that skill was barely used; Montag had to dust off his elementary reading skills and started learning new words using dictionaries and references he took at his job.
shareIts been about 15 years since I read the book, but as others pointed out this was addressed in the book. People were allowed to read newspapers, manuals, porn, but nothing of any substance.
shareAs depicted in the movie, it is certainly a major plot hole. Just how recently were books banned? Montag clearly knows how to read, though when he starts reading David Coppperfield, it's as if he's dusting off an unused skill -- he reads aloud to himself, follows the words on the printed page with his fingertip, and sounds out the more difficult words phonetically, just as a child would.
In the movie, we see newspapers in comic form without speech balloons. Prescription bottles have only numbers and colors on them. We hear schoolchildren reciting the multiplication table, but even learning math requires reading. The bigger question is, how could a modern technological society function without the written word? The answer: It couldn't, of course.
Banning books does not necessary mean they don't teach people how to read and write. They learn enough to fill out paperwork , police or medical reports, accounting journals
shareWhat about designing all the modern conveniences they have?--that requires thinking and complicated reading. The same for doctors and scientists who had to be learning new things--it's impossible not to have the written word in an advanced civilization--if not in book form then on computers. I realize this is a science fiction movie, and it's not worth it to analyse every detail that seems like a plot hole. The premise of the movie seems dated, but it's a good movie, well acted, and is worth thinking about.
shareTelevision screens (think of a Sesame Street from hell type of thing).
shareHow did the society have so many advances if reading was not allowed? In the movie Montag says that houses have ALWAYS been fire proof. Their technology is nothing new. It's just passed on generation to generation much the way skills are with tradespeople. Some of the most gifted carpenters and construction workers I know aren't the brightest bulbs when it comes to reading and comprehension. They learned their skills without the benefits of formal training.
But as another poster said, that type of advanced society cannot be sustainable for very long.
That quote was a prime example of selective memory: Montag insisting that houses had always been fireproof, then when Clarisse mentions her house isn't, then he says they'll move her into a house that is. It's like when he says that sentence, he's erasing Clarisse's non-fireproof house from his awareness.
In a society like that, there would be a lot of selective memory. They ban books, but overlook or excuse some reading material to suit their own purposes.
There is also a lot of hypocrisy. Montag's boss (can't remember his name) preaches on and on about equality while he shows more knowledge about the books he's destroying than the average person. It's been the case in some totalitarian regimes that equality means "nobody should be better than me."
I love this movie's logical gymnastics.
From watching television, I would conclude.
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