Cheating the Deal (spoilers)


The line a the end of the movie that no cheating took place cannot be strictly true. The idea that they merely bluffed the other players all in the spirit of the game is just a con-artist's rationalization.

As to how the deck is set up, I think its pretty clear. Meredith's dealing skills are intentionally under-represented. The way he shuffles and deals is childish or, as the other players comment, like a grandmother. There is no sign of the skill he shows at the end of the film. Regardless of his skill, it would be impossible to set up a whole deck to deal several big hands with the other players watching. The clue is that Meredith asks for a new deck before the deal. After shuffling this new deck for a while, he must have swapped it out for a deck that was prepared beforehand. A so-called "cold-deck" because the cards have not been warmed by being held and dealt. It's not clear how he nullifies the cut, but the deck is set up exactly how he wants it before he begins to deal. A more modern style of directing would have a flashback revealing the subterfuge as the villains split the proceeds.

It would not be hard to set up hands that would call for predictable replacements. Three of a kind would almost always call for 2 replacements, four to a straight or flush or four of a kind, or two pair would call for 1, a high pair with no kicker would call for three.

Getting everyone to fold in the end saves the awkward showdown. "A flush, two full houses, four of a kind, a straight flush and a royal?!? What are the odds of that??" If I were packing heat in that situation there'd be gunplay for sure. With everyone folding I might believe that only I and Meredith had *truly* big hands.

There's a lot of things that could legitimately be nit-picked in this (excellent) movie. However, setting up the deck is this fashion is actually not that far-fetched.

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Excellent assessment David!

My only disagreement is on your opening statement... any, and I mean any con you can use at a table is legit... there is no rule against faking a heart attack, getting up and acting ill (I actually used that one in Atlantic City last May...unethical?...hmmmm.... i don't think so... I actually had waitresses getting me alka-seltzer as I slow played... within the time parameters of course... as I don't want to break the rules)

until it is against the rules, it is not cheating... ala hellmuth and matasow... push the envelope and push your opponents... as a pro, I do within the rules... I do not cheat, I play within the rules.

In the time period depicted in this movie, the protagonists acted within the rules, and in fact used the unjust rules...

other than that, I admired your treatise.

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I thought the idea that he cheated using sleight-of-hand was obviously what the filmmakers wanted us to believe. While the camera did not stay focused on Fonda's hands, it's perfectly possible to run up a stack from new deck order (which is why he presumably requested a new deck). I do not recall the person to his right cutting the pack, but a mechanic could nullify a cut any number of ways, including a shift, or (less likely) gambling on someone cutting to a crimp. You're right that the ribbon spread display does not (in fact) evidence a great deal of skill, but I think it was supposed to in the minds of the audience.


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What he did with the cards is cheating, but I agree that the rest of the action, such as the fake heart attack is not.

And I believe it having seen a first hand demonstration by master card manipulator Ricky Jay who, starting with a fresh honest deck which I got to inspect, proceeded to deal great hands to both myself and another audirnce volunteer, only to beat us with an even better hand.

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yes, anyone who says something can't be done with a deck of cards has never seen Ricky Jay. I've seen him take a deck of cards, have someone (not a mechanic, saw Letterman do it once) shuffle them. he'd then deal them as fast as he could putting the face cards in their own pile. It was amazing to see cause there was no "trick" just skill. I don't know his secret, but he told Letterman he can feel the weight difference due to the ink levels of the different cards.

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There are ways to nullify cuts. Any magician worth their salt can shuffle and cut cards for minutes at a time, and leave the deck in pristene order.

Check out the train poker game scene in " The Sting"

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wrongo, charlie brown. She didn't have to show her husband's cards because the bluff was so potent and the hand was affirmed by "strangers" (actually cohorts) to be the most bankable hand one ever saw, that everybody folded thinking they didn't have a chance. Keeping with the rules, the lady didn't have to show her hand and left what she was carrying a mystery. The perfect crime-free crime!

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It would not be hard to set up hands that would call for predictable replacements. Three of a kind would almost always call for 2 replacements, four to a straight or flush or four of a kind, or two pair would call for 1, a high pair with no kicker would call for three.

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Actually, advanced players will sometimes draw 1 card to three of a kind so as not to give away their hand, it looks like they're drawing to a straight or flush. I don't remember offhand how many cards each player drew.

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