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Catwoman...Why so Clueless + Clumsy at the End?


Something I've always wondered about Catwoman in this film...why so clueless and clumsy at the end?

1) Wasting time strutting around on the sub deck while everybody else is floundering in the water.

2) Having a clear lead on Batman fleeing into the sub, yet neglecting to close the hatch.

3) Looking over her shoulder to see if Batman was coming(of course he was!)then tripping over that periscope platform.

4) Just laying there, when it's apparent when Batman helps her up, she's completely conscious.

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I suspect it's because the 'near-death' experience really SHOOK her (both literally and figuratively) - I don't think she had ever been in a situation like that before (when Robin kept firing blasts at the submarine) - and it also seems to me that she had a GREAT FEAR OF DROWNING. When she tells the Penguin that he knows she cannot handle water, I feel like it's way more than a mere allusion to the idea that cats hate water; I think she means that she's always been afraid of drowning (you know, somewhat like the late Natalie Wood, one might say).

This explains why she was "so clueless and clumsy at the end". Up until then, she had always been *IN COMPLETE CONTROL* of every situation - even when she was disguised as Kitka - and to SUDDENLY LOSE CONTROL ALTOGETHER like that, when the submarine was under attack, and to find herself in MORTAL DANGER no doubt shattered her confidence, and left her completely bereft of her wits AND her nerves!!

Note how her VOICE and manner of SPEECH change the minute the submarine is under attack - as she laments to the Penguin, and urges the Joker to do something because they "weren't meant for a watery grave". She no longer sounds like the nasty, domineering Catwoman - she sounds like AN ORDINARY AMERICAN GIRL IN PERIL; you can barely even understand what she's saying, whereas her diction is otherwise SINISTERLY CLEAR. She was clearly in EXTREME PANIC mode, and I don't think she got over that even when the submarine reached the surface of the water.

1.) I think she was "strutting around on the sub deck while everybody else is floundering in the water" for two reasons - (a) Nervousness and lack of composure due to the near-death experience/fear of drowning, and (b) In the hope that she would see the male villains somehow overpower and DROWN Batman and Robin in the water, before climbing aboard the deck once again (I believe that if Catwoman hadn't been shaken by the blasts before, and if she had her wits about her, she would have definitely screamed: "GET THEM YOU MOLLYCODDLES!" to her criminal cohorts while they were in the water. )

2.) I think her body was in complete FIGHT/FLIGHT mode after the submarine almost sank, and that she was subsequently driven purely by her NERVOUS SYSTEM rather than her 'mind' proper. First, she tries to FIGHT Batman and Robin - by PUSHING them into the water. She obviously hoped that the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and the other goons would be able to drown them, but when she sees them climbing aboard again UNSCATHED, her body/nervous system switches from FIGHT to *FLIGHT* mode, and she SIMPLY MAKES A RUN FOR IT, "neglecting to close the hatch" as she probably would have done under normal circumstances.

3.) Since her confidence had been COMPLETELY UNDERMINED by the near-death experience, which reduced her to a bundle of nerves, she looked "over her shoulder to see if Batman was coming".

4.) While she's "completely conscious", I think the reason she was "just laying there" was again because she was essentially SHAKEN by the entire ordeal and not in her customary frame of mind AT ALL. You can tell that she was basically reduced to a bundle of nerves by the fact that she DOESN'T SPEAK *ONE WORD* at the end.
The evil, super self-confident Catwoman that we saw PRIOR to the submarine getting attacked would SURELY have said SOMETHING to Batman or Robin, even when she was captured; at the very least something like: "Yes, I played you for a fool while pretending to be Miss Kitka!" or "You must feel pretty stupid, Batman!"
Instead, the BEST that she can rouse herself to do is to hiss and make clawing gestures at Robin - and that too is a DELAYED REACTION, which occurs after she has been sitting perfectly still FOR A NUMBER OF MINUTES.

The look on her face alone when Batman sees her unmasked reveals her 'shaken' state of mind - as though her nervous system has now gone BEYOND *FIGHT OR FLIGHT MODE* and simply *SHUT DOWN ALTOGETHER*.

What do you think?

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A great explanation and I wholeheartedly agree. Just one question though:

- What is a mollycoddle?

I know what mollycoddling is but it doesn't seem to apply in this situation, so I always used to wonder why she used that word for them.

Any thoughts?

Gothamite #3
"But it happened at sea! See? C for Catwoman!!"

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That's awesome that you agree with my explanation!!! Riddle me this - Which 2 IMDB-members have GREAT MINDS and THINK ALIKE?

As for "mollycoddle", I think she's basically trying to *EMASCULATE* the male criminals by calling them mollycoddles - indicating that she thinks they're putting up a really weak and ineffective fight (considering that they're men), and hoping to GOAD them into far more BRUTAL, possibly even MURDEROUS action by calling their masculine strength and prowess into question.

I guess it's the equivalent of saying: 'Start fighting like real men, you pansies!'

The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a "mollycoddle" as 'a pampered or effeminate man or boy'.

I'm reminded of Lady Macbeth trying to goad Macbeth into brutal/murderous action by casting doubts upon his qualities as a man and a soldier. Come to think of it, there are a lot of similarities between Lady Macbeth and Lee Meriwether's Catwoman - lol - and (possibly coincidental) touches of Shakespeare's famous play:
1.) First of all, interestingly, Lady Macbeth and Lee Meriwether have the same initials.
2.) Catwoman's cat is named Hecate, after the Greek goddess associated with witchcraft who appears in Shakespeare's 'Macbeth' as a character.
3.) Like Lady Macbeth, Catwoman is the FEMALE CRIMINAL MASTERMIND in the story, who gets a man (in this case MEN) to do most of the dirty work.
4.) Lady Macbeth pretends to be a very sweet lady and an exceedingly gracious hostess to King Duncan, while plotting to have him killed - just as Catwoman pretends to be the very sweet Miss Kitka and an all-too-gracious hostess to Bruce Wayne. Duncan is killed in Lady Macbeth's castle, just as Bruce is kidnapped in Miss Kitka's apartment (while both men believed their hostesses to be perfect ladies and completely let their guard down).
5.) Despite once being COMPLETELY IN CONTROL and having an aura of evil, Lady Macbeth becomes "Clueless + Clumsy at the End", just like Catwoman, the whole ordeal proving to be simply too much for her to handle. Both villainesses end up losing their wits and slip/stumble (be it literally or figuratively).

Also the pivotal point of the YACHT being an ILLUSION meant to dupe Batman is quite reminiscent of the illusory figures seen by Macbeth. In Shakespeare's play, Hecate describes how her magic spells will lure Macbeth to his doom:
"As by the strength of their illusion
Shall draw him on to his confusion!"

Which of course is exactly what happens to Batman - first with the illusory Yacht, the Shark, and then with Miss Kitka.

Hecate also sums up what is possibly the theme of 'Macbeth' by saying:
"And you all know, Security
Is mortals' chiefest enemy!"

Bruce Wayne, on the one hand, and the members of the United World Organisation, on the other hand, felt completely secure at Miss Kitka's apartment and at the United World Headquarters respectively - THINKING that there were other people assigned to watch out for them. This false sense of security led to the villains taking them completely by surprise.

Now I'm going into this WAY TOO DEEP of course - - but last but not least, I find it cool that it's Catwoman's cat *HECATE* that helps the villains enter the United World building by finding a crack in the door; just as it's the GODDESS HECATE that helps the Witches to penetrate Macbeth's psyche by finding the right crack/weakness.

I do apologise for the length of this post - I never intended to go off on this Macbeth tangent, but I couldn't help but note what came to my mind.

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The thing with the script for this film, is that it does at times feel Shakespearean in nature and the writers defintely have a penchant for the overly dramatic.

I love the line Gordon utters (see, I'm doing it too now) in the office:

"The sum of the angles of that rectangle is too monstrous to contemplate!"

Genius writing.

Thanks for the dictionary defintion of mollycoddle. I knew the term 'to mollycoddle' but had never heard it used in this fashion before. Your explanation makes sense too.

You have also answered another long question of mine, the name of Catwoman's cat!! The script sounds like 'baggety' but Hecate makes much more sense!

And the comparisons to Lady Macbeth are both suprisingly accurate and incredibly interesting at the same time. I'm not sure whether this was a conscious influence but it's very interesting reading nonetheless!!

Gothamite #3
"But it happened at sea! See? C for Catwoman!!"

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I hadn't thought much about this word Catwoman goads them with, yet it shows a revealing aspect about her personality. It's the ultimate putdown: Effiminate or girlish men. Catwoman was in hiding behind her dressing screen during the initial fight between her cohorts and Bruce, and was enraged it was knocked over & she was forced to flee.

Catwoman is accustomed to lounging around, endulging herself in comfort and preening...while men do her dirty work.

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Agree Johnnyb94109. I remember how she looked like she was relaxing or sun bathing in the submarine when the others were giving the orders and looking through the periscope. But she did help Penguin sweep up the dehydrated pirates.

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Catwoman literally pounced on one pile of dust. She relished that pirate having been reduced to dust, so as to do her evil bidding!

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Quite an insightful and thoughtful analysis, I think!

That scene where Catwoman literally hugs the periscope after that depth-charge attack, pleading with Penguin and Joker to save her life...and that eerie scream of terror.

Probably didn't help shattered self-confidence that Penguin called her a "Feline Floozy" and "Cowardly Kitty."

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However, at the climax, when Batman sees her unmasked for the firt time, and recognizes her as ''Kitka'', there is a look of defiance on her suddenly hard face.To me, that doesn't spell ''clueless''.

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I agree with you on that scene, because she does show defiance and courage.

When Catwoman is being cuffed by Robin afterwards, note how she "air claws" him with a hiss.

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It was very disappointing. She had 2 options, either use her claws to either break out of the cuffs or use them to threaten Robin (she doesn't even try to put up a fight why????) or she could've gone to the dehydrated powders and threaten to throw them somewhere or dilute them in some way to make way for her escape.

The writers really missed their opportunities to make the second half of the movie even more fun and suspenseful (as suspenseful as a silly, campy "action" movie can be anyway).

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Catwoman's claws were cosmetic, so they wouldn't have been effective weapons. I think her best option would have been to turn on the sex appeal and seduce Robin. Batman would have been easy prey as well.

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She could do that, but it would be a desperate last resort. A better way would've been hijacking the powders and threatening throw them away or contaminate them in some way. Batman and Robin don't want to ruin the chances of bringing back those diplomats in one piece after all. It would've been perfect.

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I see what you mean--grab the rack of test tubes, and create a standoff that she would win. Yet she tripped over that platform(so clumsy for such an agile villainess)and was being handcuffed by Robin. As a last resort, I see Catwoman seductively meowing to Robin, "You've got me now, Boy Wonder, so what are you going to do with me next?"

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