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The Show Reflected THE BATMAN of the time.


Dose anybody remember when this show was being relentlessly bash back in the 80's. My biggest question was did anybody and i mean ANYBODY read the Batman Comics of the late 50's or 60's. Did anybody remember a character call Bat-Mite or Ace the Bat-Hound and Then . Then Tim Burton's Batman came out and everybody stop bitching. Which is funny because despite Tim Burtons Batman having a darker tone. It Had tons of silly and stupid moments. Like the 10 feet gun that the joker pants. The scene prince song that makes the movie dated as hell. Not to mention any scene with Joker in it. And unlike the 66 TV Show. It didnt represent the Batman of the Time very well.

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You do know that fanboys can't like more than one version of Batman at a time, right? When Burton's film came along to darken Batman up in the public consciousness, it was suddenly hip to hate the 60s series in fanboy circles. Then, when Nolan's films came along, it was suddenly hip with these same fanboys to hate Burton's films. I'll never understand the silly-ass fanboy.

On a more serious note, I think comic book fans really came to resent the 60s series because of how imbedded it was in the public consciousness. When people heard the name "Batman", they instantly equated it with a goofball comedy character. It is absolutely true that the show as very in line with the comics of the era, but then came the 1970s and Denny O'Neal, who brought the comic back to a darker theme where Batman was a serious-minded detective and where people actually died in the stories. Personally, the 70s Batman is my favorite of them all, a perfect mix of detective work, fun adventure, mystery, and even supernatural elements. Anyhow, no one outside of comic book circles seemed to notice that Batman had more going for it than doing the Bat-Tusi dance. The masses were unaware of this much better world of Batman that was being done on paper. All people continued to cling to was the Adam West show. I was a kid in the 70s, and all I ever knew about Batman was the TV show. It wasn't until Burton's film came around that I even learned about the world of the comic book and how much more serious and well written it was than the camp days of the sixties. This was the case with a great many people who were suddenly exposed to a new take on the character, a take that had been around for twenty years but was only noticed by comic book fans. In the late 70s and early 80s, WB had planned to make a Batman comedy feature film starring Bill Murray. That proves that the old TV show was still the general depiction of the public consciousness. Burton's 1989 film changed all of that, and to this day the public consciousness sees Batman as a dark, brooding character. Burton's film gets props for finally shifting the main focus away from the camp days. This is also one of the reasons that some fans were so vehemently against the Schumacher films, as they did not want Batman to again be seen in a silly light after so many award winning and well written stories existed on page about him.

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I think the point is that its was somewhat stupid to complained that the show didnt take Batman seriously. When the comics of the time where not serious in the first place. The comics at that time where just as silly as the show. Only without the Self-consciousness aspect that the show had. And Tim Burtons Batman was pretty cheesy. Personally i like most every version of Batman. Silly and Dark. I just think Tim Burton and his Movies are vastly overrated. The Man is a "style over substance" director. He knows how to give you nice visuals. But totally lacks in giving you good or even a great story. Which made it very easy for Nolan to blow Tim Burton's Batman out the water. Personally i never really cared for Tim Burton's Batman. Not really because its not a good representation of Batman when books like Batman Year One, the Killing Joke and A Death in the Family where being written. But Mainly because its really not that good of a movie.

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Agree nightwing60. The campy comics were around for very long and this great shows was perfect at showing what they were like.

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Well, here's the thing. The really goofy stuff was mostly in the 50s, but the same is true of Superman and Wonder Woman. However, in the early 60s, Jack Schiff stepped down as editor and Julie Schwartz took over. He wanted to elevate the quality of things and brought in Carmine Infantino on the art and ushered in an era of change, with the stories taking on a bit more mature level, akin to those in The Flash and Green Lantern. There are some great stories in there, revolving around the key villains, plus the introduction of new villains, like Blockbuster.

Once the tv show came long, the comics got silly again, though for a relatively brief time. Still, a lot of fans of the era hated that things had improved, only to turn silly again. The tv show was still light years better than the newly campy comics and was pretty popular with fans. By about 1968, though, Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams (and Irv Novick) brought back the serious stuff, and then upped the ante.

Now, the real genesis for a more serious take on Batman, as a movie, came from two fronts. One was the success of Superman as a (relatively) straight adventure story. The second was the then-recent Englehart/Rogers run in Detective Comics. It was there that currupt politician Boss Thorne and love interest Silver St. Cloud were introduced. Those characters would become Boss Grissom and Vicky Vale (who had previously been a relatively minor love interest, modelled after Lois Lane). The portrayal of the Joker in the film bears a strong resemblance to the Joker of "The Laughing Fish," the masterpeice of the Englehart/Rogers run.

By the 80s, Batman fans had had a steady diet of material from Denny O'Neil, Steve Engelhart, Gerry Conway, and Frank Miller. They were used to a grim and humorless Batman, so they trashed the name of the tv show and the Super Friends cartoons. Those of us who had been around a while were pretty comfortable with all of those takes on Batman, provided the story was good. However, since we had had the campy Batman, we definitely wanted to see someone take a crack at a serious Batman. As for Schumacher, I thought the scripts were horrible, but he was following the trend that Burton essentially established in Batman Returns: more and more villains, over the top design and acting, and more convoluted stories. For my money, the best post-Adam West version of Batman was the animated series of the early 90s. It distilled the essence of the entire history into a very entertaining series, with humor, action, and drama available in equal measures.

Me, I like my serious Batman stories, but there is still nothing funnier than Batman running with a smoking bomb raised over his head, running into one obstacle after another. That scene is a masterpiece of building a joke to a killer punchline.

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The goofy stuff was in the 60's as well.

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I agree. I never liked Tim Burton's Batman. Not to mention Tim Burton broke the cardinal rule of Being Batman. Batman dose not kill. Even Adam West did not break that. Even the comics at the time of 89 Batman release never had him killing people. That's why Tim Burton's didn't Reflect the Batman at that times. I know people go on and on again. About how the Batman in the first two issue killed people. But back then Batman wasnt Batman. He was a "The Shadow" Ripoff. You know This guy.

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/shadow1.jpg

The character didnt become original until much later.

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But why is it a problem if Burton chose to represent the original incarnation of Batman as his creator's envisioned it?

Both Bob Kane and Bill Finger had no problems with him killing his enemies.

Plus, Burton was only given the first year's run of Detective to read (from 27) by the producer, Michael Uslan. He didn't want Burton to be too influenced by later work, he wanted the film to go back to the original dark 40s era.

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Bob Kane was a plagiarist and the fans did not like Batman killing so they changed it. Tim Burton should not have chosen that version.

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He didn't choose it, that was the version given to him by Michael Uslan the producer. He was the one who gave him the first year of Detective to read and base his version on that run. He was the one who wanted dark, pulpy killing Batman.

Plus, say what you like about Bob Kane, but without him we would not even have a Batman.

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Disagree. Michael Uslan never told him to make Batman kill people. That's a lie.

Bob Kane only came up with an idea, he stole all the credit for the real ideas that made Batman great.

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Not to mention Tim Burton broke the cardinal rule of Being Batman. Batman dose not kill.


Someone needs to educated themselves more on the subject before speaking.

Batman DOES kill.
It all depends on the writer and the circumstance.
Bob Kane's/Bill Finger's Batman killed. Denny O'Neil, who revamped Batman in the 70s with Neal Adams, wrote a Batman that killed.

Batman also states very clearly in "The Death and Return of Superman: Funeral for a Friend" that he would have killed the bomber who tried to blow up the funeral precession, except that he knew Superman wouldn't approve.

Batman actively tries to murder Joker in "A Death in the Family" and is noticeably furious to realize Joker survived the explosion at the end.

Batman has stated that the ONLY reason he hasn't killed Joker isn't because he "can't" or "shouldn't", but it's because he knows Joker wants him to, and he won't give him the satisfaction.

Also, Batman worked in tandem with Superman to KILL Darkseid.

Also, Batman tried and failed to KILL Lex Luthor, and stated before the attempted murder, that the ONLY thing that stopped him from killing certain villains was that Commissioner Gordon was there to talk him out of it.

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Following on from the last post, Batman almost kills The Joker in the 'Hush' book but Gordon talks him out of it.

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Disagree. Batman does not kill people. The only reason he almost killed Joker in Hush is because Hush had been messing with his mind by having a chip in his brain.

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He listed several examples. Batman does kill. The only time he doesn't, is when the writer is going with Batman having that rule. Hell Nolan Batman killed an entire fortress of ninjas...and come to think of it, probably the guy he refused to behead in the first place...smooth move Bruce

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The Batman comics started out with a dark tone in the very beginning. They featured a batman who carried a gun and didn't really care if the villains died. And yes, he DID actually kill on occasion. Batman was originally based on the gun-toting, ruthless anti-heroes of pulp novels, after all. Remember the early Batman comic (I think it was the very first issue) when he punched a criminal, and the criminal crashed through some railing and fell into a vat of acid? Batman simply stated, "A fitting end for his kind." Can you imagine Batman in today's comics ever reacting that way?? Modern Batman would retreat into a brooding crisis of conscience in the Batcave over accidentally allowing the criminal to die.

However, within a couple years, Batman had become much less ruthless. And the Batman comics got lighter in tone, including the introduction of the Robin character. And then, with the public moral panic and backlash against comics in the 50s, including the publication of the book "Seduction of the Innocent", superhero comics basically HAD to be reduced to campy, goofy, childish, meaningless fare just so they wouldn't be censored and completely shut down.

The Batman TV show arose from this comic book environment, as a self-aware satire influenced by the ridiculousness of comics of that time, as well as revival theater showings of the cheesy low-budget theatrical Batman serials from the 1940s (everybody seems to forget about those).

And you also have to account for the HUGE dose of pop-art sensibility. I mean, the whole thing looks like a Warhol or Lichtenstein painting came to life! I would argue that if someone doesn't like or understand that kind of art and the whole zeitgeist behind it, then they won't "get" this show, either.

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