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You Only Live Twice, chicken or the egg



Seems the plot and spoof was heavily inspired by "You Only Live Twice", yet YOLT came out the year after this Flint flick. Hummmm EON, hummm indeed! :-)
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I don't see that many similarities that are unique to You Only Live Twice (apart from the general Bond clichés) that could have been stolen from Our Man Flint.

The only similarities unique to YOLT and OMF I can think of is:

- Pretending to be dead
- Female underling "seducing" the protagonist to lure him into a trap

Apart from that I find more differences than similarities.

Also considering that filming of You Only Live Twice started a mere 6 months after the premiere of Our Man Flint, it's highly unlikely.

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Unlikely for sure, however can't help but speculate a little for fun.

How about the secret vulcano layer?
Uniformed henchman
Also the bald antagonist reminded me of Dr No
And the technological superiority.

... but the biggest ones for me is secret vulcano layer, and bald dr no. And for some reason i sort of get the same outlandish vibe from both of them :-)

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How about the secret vulcano layer?


Secret lair: Dr No, Goldfinger, Thunderball, not unique to YOLT.

Volcano lair: yes, similar. That could possibly have been inspired by OMF since the production team went to Japan not long after the premiere of OMF. Being there they found that - unlike in the novel YOLT - there are no Japanese castles by the sea so they needed a new location for the lair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Only_Live_Twice_(film)

Uniformed henchmen: A staple of James Bond films.

Blofeld vs Hans Gruber: No.. no no no no. Pure coincidence. They tried first with Jan Werich as Blofeld but it fell apart since Werich appeared more like a "poor, benevolent Santa Claus". They then re-cast to Donald Pleasence. Also Gruber is a hired henchman, very physical and gets involved in the "wet work" while Blofeld is the Big Bad.

Evil technological superiority: Again a staple of the Bond films.

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... and (I just recalled) in YOLT the Japanese Businessman and his Female companion, was not successful in killing Bond. And they sort of competed on whose fault it was. And then she was finally punished in the river with Piranha by dr No. Not unequal to what happens to the couple in Flint.

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Oh please... standard "You have failed me" / "We do not tolerate failure" trope. Happens in the Bond films before You Only Live Twice too.

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what about the karate scene?
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Happens in the Bond films before You Only Live Twice too.
True, but the couple element, and their internal rivalry and that she is finally doomed... listen, I know this is a straw, but nonetheless reminded me.
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Yes but in OMF that is a plot vehicle that motivates her heel face turn, which in turn spares the film-makers from having to kill her off and lets them keep her to the end for her gratuitous fan-service shots (Gila Golan was Miss Israel in 1960).

Ms Brandt is not so lucky... she is just made into fish-food.

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Our Man Flint has been a favorite of mine ever since dad recorded it on VHS in the early 1980's... some of my earliest entries to IMDb are to this movie... 18 of the goof entries are "mine" and a few of the trivias. :)

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I am a Bond fan (meaning Connery - Lazenby - Moore - Dalton) (Moore my favorite) and had mostly forgotten about Flint until yesternight. And yes, I too loved it in my early 80'ies youth - though, not lucky enough to catch it on VHS. Plan to see "In Like Flint" in the weekend.
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Moore was my favorite because when I became aware of Bond, those were his movies that were playing. Later I have come to not have any favorites as all and just come to see the different Bonds part of their respective eras.

But of course Connery's Bond stands a bit above the others because that was an era when things that are taboo today were allowed. The Bond movies are meant to be about the glamorous evil. It becomes tricky to pull off if you are also meant to be considerate of modern values. (That said: Skyfall pulled a stomach-churning one with the pistol scene and the unfortunate character's background.)

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Whomever we grew up with matters a lot. And I too started with Moore, so I would be a fool not to accept this as part of my favouritism. Although the general consensus seems to pedestal Connery, which I think is not completely fair. Stop most none-fans in the street and ask them, and I will bet you they will either say Craig or Connery, safe bets.

Think what you will about "Live and Let Die", but the Bond we meet here is in my opinion the real Bond. Never has he been better portrayed with such class, finesse, ruthless determinism and mysticism and yet also oddly grounded. I believe we see the same Bond in "The Man with the Golden Gun" and to a degree also in "The Spy Who Loved Me". He simply does it to perfection. The Bond in “Dr No” and “From Rossia with love” are equally great.

Moore is often sited to be the more lightheaded version, and this is true if we focus on his later instalments. But that too can be said of Connery, yet it is mostly his first movies he is remembered and credited for. And Goldfinger, is not really as good as most seem to remember, iconic for sure but does not stand the test of time very well. Bond in it, was not good in my unhumble opinion. Of course Connery is great and he did after all help establish the personification we love to day. But for whatever reason, I see more debt and mystical balance in the Bond that Moore introduces to us in the "Live and Let Die" movie. Beside Connery's early Bonds, no other Bond comes close.

Indeed to most none-fans, Dalton is often ignored. Not fair, as his Bond at the very least holds a strong candle to the two greats and he grounds the performance closer to the novels, which demands a degree of respect.

Lanzenby is famous for being not famous, and his Bond has a unique balance of the crude Connery Bond and the friendlier Moore Bond, and he does it very well too.

Brosnan is a great charismatic actor in general but his Bond comes off as a little bland and not really good or bad, or especially intriguing. I enjoy him, but not his Bond.

The latest Craig gives us a very solid action hero who can cry, but apart from that I don't see that “je ne sais quoi” that the Bond character demands.

Since Dalton the Bonds have not really been anything more than good looking action heroes - which Hollywood already have given us in oversupply and from many other and perhaps even better sources.

The true spirit of Bond, and his almost magical presence and serene allurement was never better than Connery and Moore (and Flint :)). I have recently watched them all chronologically over a couple of weeks, and from my fresh perspective the Bond I saw in "Live and Let Die" blew me away - and I wasn't expecting it. Sure, I did favouritse Moore prior to this rewatch – but if anything it cemented it. Even the silly Moonraker (which I certainly did not remember in any pleasant way) was a pleasure, and has a far worse rep than it actually deserves. Unfortunately, it has a few poor misses which influences our general judgment. But set those apart, and it delivers.

Craig is popular. And I like him, and his movies. Although, I cannot see Bond anywhere. The universally loved Skyfall is a mystery to me. Even for a Bond, the whole setup and plot was ridiculing the audience. Entertaining; yes very much, but insulting – at least to me.

Bond is very much connected to the Cold war and world powers etc. or the "glamorous evil" as you call it. And true, they seem not to pull it off very well. Although Mission Inmpossible and the like, seem to... Sadly, perhaps Bond is a thing of the past?

Sorry for the rant.


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