152 min version?
Anyone know what this version has over the 136 restored version? Why didn't Columbia get this footage for their DVD?
shareAnyone know what this version has over the 136 restored version? Why didn't Columbia get this footage for their DVD?
shareTo answer your first question:
- Several major sequences, including the opening Apache massacre, the scene with Dundee trying to ride a mule (alluded to on the commentary), the knife fight (a special feature on the DVD), and a hilarious scene where the command (except Slim Pickens' character, Wiley) spills whiskey into the ground after each side makes a toast to the Union and the Confederacy.
The reason these scenes weren't restored was because it was in a very raw, unedited state, and no soundtrack exists for most of it. At least that's my understanding.
"What have I done?" ~ Sir Alec Guinness, "Bridge On The River Kwai"
I also remember reading somewhere about the scene where Tyreen gets his feather that he wears in his hat. Before the "no fires tonight" scene, while the commmand is riding toward Mexico, Tyreen shoots a bird from the sky and takes one of its feathers to wear in his hat, which goes along with Dundee's characterization of him as a "would-be cavalier."
I read a review of the Extended Version DVD over at amazon that was very helpful in describing what was cut from the proposed 152 minute cut. Most of it is what Hancock talked about, but it's still interesting. The reviewers name is Mark Marcon if you don't want to follow the link.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00083FZFY/ref=cm_rev_sort/102-6048504-6380932?customer-reviews.sort_by=-HelpfulVotes&s=dvd&x=7&y=17
"Congratulations, Major. It appears that at last you have found yourself a real war." Ben Tyreen
Is the raw uncut version worth seeing? I have the 51/2 workprint to APOCALYPSE NOW, and it is interesting to watch. Scenes are missing, the movie ends abruptly before Sheen kills Brando, Hopper and the renegade officer are killed, the last section of the movie at the compound is longer, and the journey upriver takes forever.
My college film instructor said, when I brought it up in class, said he wouldn't want to see this version. On general he seemed to be against restoring footage. I wonder if which version of the Lord of the Rings trilogy he preferred.
The Apache massacre at the Rostes ranch (occurring during a Halloween party, of all things, imagine what Peckinpah could have done with that one) was apparently never filmed. All the other scenes referred to in posts above, save one that shows Tyreen "getting" a feather for his cap, were in fact in the original release of the film.
You folks just have to see these things quickly, within the first week after they open, that's all. That's how I saw "The Wild Bunch" before it was cut by Warners, with scenes that were onlu to reappear on its DVD release. It's also the way I saw "Heaven's Gate" in all its 4.5 hour "glory" during the one-week engagement in NYC at its full length. And in Passaic, NJ, during high school, I even saw a version of "One-Eyed Jacks" which made very clear that Brando had an affair with a Chinese woman during his convalescence at the beach-side fishing complex (a sequence famously cut from the final print against Brando's wishes); this is no longer evident on the version show on tv or the cheapo DVD you can find in supermarkets.
See, there are some benefits to being relatively old!
I agree with the benefits of being old part. I saw HEAVEN'S GATE in both versions and still couldn't figure out what had been restored.
I'm a big fan of Peckinpah and have enjoyed the recent special editions of his films. I also have two biographies and used to have a book of essays on THE WILD BUNCH. Question: why does the number of bounty hunters change from one shot to the next at the end of the film? I count five in one shot but can only account for four?
I saw Jack Valenti at the DC AFI years ago discussing the rating system. He said if the film hadn't been cut, he would've given it an X just for the violence. One woman raked him over the coals for not giving THE EXORCIST an X.
I also have the 51/2 hour workprint of APOCALYPSE NOW and am looking for Woo's THE KILLER. I advise against Video Screams because they didn't believe in quality control when it came to THE PRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES and other films.
See you at the movies.
Jack Valenti was a wuss and a hack.
~LjM
Step on it! And don't spare the atoms!
That's possible but I still remember an interesting evening.Other special programs: Gene Kelly, Jimmy Stewart, Elizabeth Taylor, Rudy Vallee, Chuck Jones and some of the original Disney animators. The one person I wish I had seen was Ray Harryhausen.
There was also Mike Nichols in the audience during an advance screening of BLACK SUNDAY with Robert Evans. He said the last half hour almost gave him a heart attack.
The AFI moved to Silver Spring, Md and Clint Eastwood was the opening night attraction. Patricia Hitchcok and Jeanne Moreau also made appearances, but I missed them.
See you at the movies.