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Explosive increase in Beatles' presence in media


The Beatles' material is exploding across cable channels. Prior to right now, you wouldn't hear their songs even on documentaries about them.

MTV ran a WHOLE HOUR of their songs, with video from Hard Day's Night, Help, Yellow Submarine, and Let it Be, as well as Beatles Rock Band. VH1 ran 'Making of Beatles Rock Band' showing a lot of songs.

Do you suppose it is because Michael Jackson--who owned the rights to much of their material--died? I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the molestation charges, but if he had been keeping the Beatles' music out of media all this time, he was a schmow.

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It's all a promotion for the newly remastered catalog, which would have happened regardless of MJ's sudden demise.

"Instant Karma's gonna get you"

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Including the use of All You Need Is Love as the soundtrack for a Blackberry commercial? Prior to now, the only use of Beatles' material outside their own properties was the final episode of Patrick McGoohan's The Prisoner (1967). Lennon was a fan of the show.

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That's not quite correct...there have been several commercials using Beatles songs before his death. Target comes to mind, I think the Jonas bros. sang something by the Beatles for them. We used to have a thread on the Beatles forum discussing these commercials but like my memory, it's faded into oblivion.



"Instant Karma's gonna get you"

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How incorrect is it?

I haven't had a real job since the computer industry dumped me and 90% of all US engineers in the street in 2001. During that time my TV is on the whole time I'm awake. I've heard snippets reminiscent of Beatles songs, but never an outright cover until just now. Even the Beatles docus couldn't use their actual music.

In 1966 there was a near-cover of Day Tripper used as the theme for some youth product (hair stuff or zit creme). Our band played 32 bars of it as a lead-in to playing Day Tripper. And the crowd went wild.

Instead of Day Tripper's tah-da-da-da-da-dah-da-dah-da-da-da, it went tah-tah-da-da-da-dah-dah-dah-dah-da-da. Same notes, different timing.

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You know what? Now that you've mentioned it, you may be right, arb. I thought I was going crazy when nearly every channel I turned to, they were either playing Beatles music on commercials, talking about the game that's about them, or just in general, talking about them. I'm like, "What's going on? Why all of a sudden the Beatles are coming back into the spotlight now?" Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that more and more ever since the game was released and as you mentioned, MJ's unexpected passing since he use to own their song rights, some of the channels were free to show stuff about or dealing with The Beatles. Perhaps but I'm not sure. Also, I think another reason they're showing how they made the game about them is because since it's the holidays, people might buy the game for Christmas.

Btw, remember when you and I was discussing that mini-documentary called 'The Beatles ON RECORD' thing on the History Channel? Well, that's one of the things that let me know they are basically having "COMEBACK", if you will, nowadays. And believe it or not, it's working.

What do you think arb?

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The Game is another reason I forgot to mention...This is all an advertising campaign to promote Rockband and the Remasters for Christmas, it has nothing to do with MJ.

"Instant Karma's gonna get you"

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It's to promote Rock Band: The Beatles, the Mono and Stereo remastered Beatles' albums. Even Paul McCartney: Good Evening New York City has gotten it's own promotion.
It's also proof that the Beatles have not lost their touch and that their music is timeless and still very much appreciated. It's to introduce the newer generation on this band that's still very well great.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Michael Jackson and his death. Just as DayTripper said, this would have happened whether he would be still alive or dead. Rock Band: The Beatles and the remastered CDs were planned long before Michael died.

"We are the Knights who say... NI." -Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Well, I asked "if you spoze" MJ had anything to do with keeping the material off-air. And I spoze you don't. Spoze that is. OK, he's not a schmow, just a spook (the halloween kind, not the oblique racial slur kind). Shimona! The surgeon who created that ghoulish nose and jawline should be sentenced to wearing them himself. Just between us, his chin looked like a bulldog scrotum. And he was such a handsome guy before he had himself hacked.

Obviously, something got all the property lawyers to Come Together for this broad media release. Sure, it's promotion for new and upcoming releases. There's so much cross ownership in the cable industry, they probably have a financial interest in running the material. Plus the cable industry is chronically hungry for fresh content, and these shows are polished and cable-ready.

I was mistaken/misremembering to say "never on media before". ABC preempted 3 whole nights to run Beatles Anthology, promoting the release of that package.

Still, promoting their own products and releasing songs to be used as commercial soundtracks are two different things.

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Yeah. Could be. Didn't know ABC did that though.
And take it easy on MJ, please?

Btw, something tells me that the increase nowadays with the Beatles' presence is gonna continue for a VERY LONG TIME. Especially hearing about the unneccesary remake of 'Yellow Submarine', which I personally think should've been a sequel! Oh well. I'll go see it anyway.

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I'm really pretty indifferent to MJ. By the time the Jacksons appeared, I was already well outside their target demographic. I liked the hooks in Black or White, and the video. But the rest? Fmeh. Fact remains, he did pay to have his handsome face hacked beyond recognizability. I just can't relate to that.

Yellow Submarine stands on its own. I have zero interest in a remake. The flarggers won't release the original to retail sale or I'd buy it. But flarg them, it's on Netflix and my brother has the DVD cracker program to make copies.

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I don't think Michael Jackson would have complained either way- he didn't complain at all with CDS's LOVE nor any other projects that the Beatles/Apple have released on the Beatles in the last 20 years. It simply meant more money for him and Sony and they are smart enough to know that the Beatles do earn money from the public and money be stuffing into their pockets. I don't think I've ever heard them say no to anything that the Beatles (Paul, Ringo, Yoko, and Olivia) have planned to do- I think there's some sort of an agreement...

"We are the Knights who say... NI." -Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Yeah. It wouldn't have matter.

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Let's look just at the example of the documentaries about the Beatles on which their material was never heard. To license material for reproduction, the producer has to purchase clearance from the copyright owner (MJ, McC, Yoko, whoever). The owner can set the price anywhere s/he wants to, and the producer can either meet that price or decline it and not use the material.

Now, if the copyright owner--again, whoever--wants the material exposed, they can sign over the rights for $1 where any producer or project can afford to use it. Or, as seemed to be the case, they can set the price at $250,000 which would have exceeded the entire budget of the documentary.

In this way the copyright owner can determine where and under what circumstances the property appears, to satisfy their own purposes which they needn't explain. If they like a project or wish exposure, they can make the material accessable for almost nothing. If they wish to only release it under their own distribution or promotional projects, they can price it prohibitively high.

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Hmm. Great info, arb.

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Yet another show I caught this morning, an hour interview with Ringo, including 3 live performances.

Wonder if he dyes his hair?

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Really? Cool. Must've been the the 'Private Sessions' show on A&E. Is it?

Though, I think he dyes his hair, too. It looks great.

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Ringo's a couple years older than me and has the same Brit hair I do. What's left of mine is gray.

Yes it was on an affiliate of A&E, Biography perhaps, early in the morning. Well, early for me, I'm not usually awake at 8 but I was that day.

I also tend to wake up minutes before an earthquake. We had 4 here last year. They are very rare in north central Texas. But in the middle of the night I was awake for all 4 of them.

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Oh cool. I love the hairstyle that he has. It looks great on him and makes him look a bit younger. And I'm sure yours do, too!

Yeah, it has to be the Private Sessions. It was on the Biography Channel. I'd seen it before and it's really good. I enjoyed Ringo's interview. He's awesome!

Oh no. Sorry that you had to deal with crazy earthquakes. Pretty bad. 4?! 4?! That's quite a number of earthquakes! Glad you're safe.

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Jeez, I've been in so many earthquakes I can't count them any more. In California and Hawaii. I was in the 'big one', Loma Prieta 1989. It killed people but I was not in a dangerous location at the time.

The ones here (DFW) were small, no threat to anyone. Just a bump in the night that rattled the windows.

I've got Patrick Stewart's hairline. That is, eyebrows and that's pretty much it. I actually dream specifically about having hair. I'd get a wig just to keep my head warm, but it's usually windy here and how silly would I look chasing the damn thing down the sidewalk?

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Wow! And it's a blessing you've survived all them earthquakes! And I've heard about the big, deadly one that happened in California. It was a year before I was born and years later I read about it. I think that was the one where that baseball game was abruptly called off in the middle of it because of the extremely shaky quakes, and that infamous highway bridge collapsed and seriously injuring and killing many people. Disturbingly scary stuff.
Though, be safe ALWAYS, arb. Remember, God is watching over you.

Wow. Patrick Stewart's hairline and eyebrows, huh? Interesting. Hmm. If you want hair, maybe you should figure out a way how to grow your hair back. I think there's a chance you could do so by looking for the right hairgrowth product, materials, etc. I mean, you don't have to take my word for it or have to do it. But you could try that instead of wearing a wig.

Btw, in relation to your original post, I just saw on the news part of 'A Hard Day's Night' board that on the Huffington Post(It's fine sometimes) that said that the group of the 2000s are The Beatles. It's both a bit shocking yet not so much because they've been in the public and pop culture since they first arrived nearly 50 years ago. Wow! Now, it's 50 YEARS! I know they took off in 1963 but still. It's amazing. So the Beatles' presence and Beatlemania nowadays are getting even stronger. And then with Disney's crazy, unnessasary remake of 'Yellow Submarine', it's gonna introduce the future generation to an old, yet legendary group from Liverpool. Oh and about that, WHY CAN'T THEY JUST EITHER MAKE A FREAKIN' SEQUAL TO THAT MOVIE OR MAKE A BRAND NEW CARTOON SERIOUS RELATING TO 'YS'?! COME ON! I'm telling you. Disney lost its marbels in some places. That and buying my favorite comic book company, Marvel Comics/Entertainment, they truelly made a lot of fans angry but hey that's another story. Lol!

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You know the CDs called Kidz Bop, as seen on TV? Guess what? They've got a Kidz Bop sings Beatles now.

But going back to the origin of the thread, see what I mean about some fundamental change in the way the copyright owners license their material? Kidz Bop. Beatles covers as soundtrack for bank and weight loss commercials. Really never thought I'd see that.

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Yeah. It's something else. I saw that they had a Kidz Bop album with Beatles songs on them, too. It's amazing. It's like all of sudden....BOOM! More and more today, you start seeing thing related to the Beatles come out from the aforementioned Kidz Bop, Rock Band, doggone Yellow Submarine remake, etc. Something tells me it's destined to continue. Not that I'm complaining, though.

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Also, remastered box set CDs. There's even a set in mono.

Let it roll.

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Yep. I heard that selled like crazy despite this awful economy/society.


Btw, I have a question for you. And forgive me that this is kinda going off topic but it has something to do with this movie. Do you know where I can either buy or order it? I've been trying to get it for Christmas but didn't get it. My mother and I have tried places from Target(what a nightmare) to Amazon.com. Some of the DVD copies of Help! either costs too much or they ran out of copies. If you have any suggestions, what should I do? And I won't rest until I get it and I hope it's before this month is through. Please?

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Dam. It used to be readily available. You mean it's disappeared? Dam. Same thing happened to Yellow Submarine. It was there (VHS) then gone then rereleased (DVD) then gone again.

What the flarg? Junk movies you can always buy.

Sorry, you've looked all the same places I would if I didn't already have it.

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Oh, it's okay.
Really? Yellow Submarine, too? Damn it! Yeah, it's been really difficult on trying to search for this movie. It's a shame that most of the places I've looked either don't have them or they cost TOOOOOO FREAKIN' MUCH! It's been frustrating but I'm not gonna stop until I find it!

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It's on Ebay, if you want to get wrapped up in that. I prefer regular retailers.

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Yeah. Retailers? I'm still trying to figure out all the details and to make sure that it's not too expensive. Hmm. Still pondering.

Guess what else I discovered in terms of the Beatles' presence nowadays. On the HBO channels and Encore channel(we have Dish satellite), they're showing movies that are Beatles-related. On HBO, HBO Family, and I think HBO Comedy, they show 'Sgt. Pepper and the Lonely Hearts Club' movie with the Bee Gees and other great artists from years ago. I tell ya'. They show that movie on either of those channels almost EVERYDAY! It's crazy! And then, on the Encore channel, they show 'Across The Universe' every now and again. They've been showing it for almost 3 months already.

Yeah. Somehow lately, the Beatles manage to STILL be referenced, mentioned, or seen more since sometime last year. I don't know. What does it all mean?

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I can't imagine how they sold out at $160 or even half that. I was blaming the Ebayers for buying them all but if they did they couldn't afford to sell them below what they paid. Maybe Ebay is the way to go on this one.

I don't get the premium channels so haven't seen what else is out there. Still wondering what happened to Yellow Submarine, why nobody runs it and you can't buy it retail.

Speculation, but best guess would be marketing why they're suddenly everywhere you look. Doesn't explain why the properties just sat in archives all this time. Also doesn't explain licensing Beatle songs for ad soundtracks.

Hell, look at Grateful Dead, one of the most bootlegged bands in history. They wouldn't even license their performance at Woodstock for the movie.

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Exactly.

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It's pretty complicated, and it's probably partly because of MJ's death, but not entirely. When the Beatles were writing and recording, Brian set up a publishing company to get them some financial return for their authorship. The company was called Northern Songs, and John and Paul (or George or Ringo) earned a percentage of the income from any songs of they wrote that were used professionally by anyone, including the Beatles. Brian owned 50% of the company and their share came from his half. The other 50% was owned by Dick James. After Brian died there was no way for the Beatles to get control of Brian's share. Eventually Dick James sold his ownership to the publishing rights (now called ATV), and that was when Paul tried to buy the rights but Yoko wouldn't cooperate (John was already dead). That was when Michael Jackson and Sony bought the catalog. So Sony/ATV own the use of the songs, but Apple (the Beatles' company) owns all the recordings and videos of the Beatles. So you will see a lot of the songs licensed for use in commercials and movies, but the performances are covers by other artists. The Beatles and their estates keep very tight control of the use of their images and recordings.
Since Michael Jackson and Sony shared ownership of the Beatles catalog, and Sony was keeping MJ afloat financially in the last few years, I think it's very likely that the lawyers who are handling MJ's estate are being very liberal with the use of the Beatles music to pay back some of his debts to Sony. The rumor that MJ put in his will that he wanted Paul to get the ownership of his half of the ATV catalog was totally false.
The Rockband game is completely different. George's son Dhani approached the game company with the idea of the Beatles version, and cleared it with his Uncle Ringo and Uncle Paul. So the game was done with their cooperation and uses their original recordings.

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Thanks for the details! Funny how complicated it gets when big money is involved. To juggle taxes, I suspect. They're quite onerous in UK.

I co-wrote a song in 1968 that's still recorded today, and I get half the mechanical and digital royalties directly. But we're talking $100, not $100 million.

Now of course I'll have to google this Dick James character. Why the devil would JPGR and Brian cut him in on a fortune to which he made no contribution?

[edit]OMG! What a convoluted mess. It all started so above-board, and ended in corporate subterfuge contributed to by no less than the Beatles themselves. At one point, the boys were close to reacquiring the rights to their own songs. But it took the resources of investors at that point. Who were all in favor, until Lennon mouthed off. (When has THAT ever happened before?)

Correcting myself, taxes may have been a consideration, but really, James had business skills nobody else in the chain had. Not JPGR, not Brian, not even George Martin. James DID contribute. At the time, they felt like they needed him more than he needed them. That's how he got 50% and the principals divided the rest. If they'd only waited a year, they would have known better and given such a manager 15% tops. It was that 50% and where it went from there (ATC/Lew Grade) that made it beyond the reach of the boys to buy back their own work. Even though Lew Grade was in favor of them regaining control.

Here's the link to how the Beatles lost control of themselves: http://www.ptrob.com/Music/Beatles/Song_Rights/song_rights.html

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Wow, robeekay! I had no idea it was THAT complicated when it comes to the owning rights and shares. Amazing. Great info! Thank you for sharing. Thank you! Plus, I believe your right. Michael's passing is kind of the reason why we're seeing more and more Beatle-related stuff out nowadays.

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Follow that link above, glj. I edited it in while you were posting.

Michael left owing Sony, and the rights for commercials are being sold to payoff that debt.

The actual performances by the Beatles, they still own. Every time one appears however, Sony gets a cut, and Sony is fairly influential as a content provider among cable outlets. When they license a cover for a commercial, Sony gets it all and the Beatles have nothing to say about it.

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Hey arb, thanks for the link. I read some of it and I just have to say...damn. Now, that's what I call a MESS! A FLIPPIN' MESS! So Sony has most of the control over the song rights! Michael how could you? Tsk tsk tsk. Oh well. I'm sorry, P, R, G, and J. *sigh*

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Yep, best I can figure Sony owns controlling interest in the publishing and licensing rights, and they pay JPG an authorship royalty but keep more for themselves. They can license the rights to anyone they want, without approval.

Among other things, Paul makes more money off Silly Love Songs (which he owns) than Yesterday (which Sony owns). Doesn't seem fair, but life seldom does and business NEVER does.

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It sure doesn't seem fair. After all, those songs like 'Yesterday', 'Two of Us', 'All You Need Is Love'(irony in this case, Lol!), and other great songs that Paul and John wrote should belong to THEM and their heirs strictly! Those are THEIR songs! THEIR SONGS! It's a shame that Sony is acting iffy over that and seems to be taking over the benefits of the rights! Maybe someday if Sony somehow screws up or make one little bad move, then Paul or any of his family members or John's, even George's, family members can sue or whatever. But, hey, not sure if it'll go that far. But, still. Really, those wonderful songs and the owners CAN'T have them.

This should show people to be careful on who you trust.

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Apparently at the time they had no idea how valuable those songs would become. After all, few pop songs ever transcended the month or so they were on the chart.

From the report, they were in James' office and still kinda skeptical about signing their work over to him 50% (the key mistake). He jumped on the phone and got them a TV appearance just like that. Impressed that he could take them farther in the business than they could take themselves, it then sounded like a good deal. They kept 40%, Brian got a share equal to theirs, they would get famous in their own little way, and 100% of nothing is still nothing.

The ongoing mistake was continuing to throw their material under the Northern roof and under the same terms they accepted when they were mostly nobody. In good business, Brian should have insisted on renegotiation. In good conscience, James should have offered it.

Something similar happened to me with that one humble song I wrote. A couple years after initial release, the co-author and recording performer brought me a contract with a publisher. I still have it, but the publisher no longer exists and no trace of who they sold their properties to. I hadn't written it for money, and trusted the co-author and his knowledge of the publisher to get me a fair share of whatever it made. Time went by and no money ever appeared so I just figured there wasn't any.

30 years later someone wanted to rerelease it and contacted me about licensing. I said "sure". During those 30 years, the original release continued selling, as it does today. The new releases make about $100 a year royalties but they are small sellers compared to the original, so I called the original recorder/distributor and asked them about royalties on the original. Well, they told me royalties have a 7-year limit so they don't owe me anything. We're talking about thousands over 30 years.

You've really got to stay on top of people in the music business. They can be held to their legal obligations, but they won't necessarily do it on their own.

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Wow. Again, that's just disappointing and insane. Again, they were the ones that thought of and wrote the songs! It should be 100% for them all but hey. There was no telling.

And that's not fair for you that you really were left with the short end of the deal. Record companies can sometime be too cheap and not give the owners their rightful shares. What a shame.

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Hey, also have you been noticing that a litte more lately that when it comes to the Beatles' presence, I'm starting to see Ringo and Paul in the news, mostly due to the Haiti relief and fundraisers going on. I think someone had pointed out that Ringo was at the Hope For Haiti Now telethon on Friday. He was one of the celebrities on the phones with people donating items and other things. I think I missed him but I was too busy trying to kinda cover the event and focusing on what to do to help. And then, Paul was the Golden Globes last Sunday presenting the Best Animated Feature and he was one of the ones that was wearing those little Haiti ribbons.

*sigh* I find it wonderful that they're doing something so selfless and wonderful to help the earthquake-striken country of Haiti. They and a lot of others really show how much they care.

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I hate to distract from the topic at hand, but I felt the need to voice my opinion:

I'm 13, and like many others, I became an MJ fan the minute I heard he died. (Guiltily, I admit it...) I listened to quite a few of his songs, and my favorite of his changed frequently. But the one song that kept finding its way to being my favorite again was "Say Say Say," a duet with MJ and Paul. (Which all of you probably knew.) After listening to it a few hundred times, I decided to edge off and take a look at what the Beatles were like. I'd heard a few of their songs before: Hello Goodbye, Octopus's Garden, Help!, Yellow Submarine, and Twist & Shout. I grew up listening to these songs when I was younger. When I figured out those songs were all by one band, I had to research them and listen to more. Pretty soon, I had lost interest in MJ and become absolutely OBSESSED with the Beatles.

So I think MJ may have had something to do with this sudden uprising of "Beatles awareness," so to speak.

And let's not forget, after MJ had sung "Say Say Say" with Paul, he got the idea of buying the rights to the Beatles. MJ was the one that agreed to create Beatles Rock Band, if I'm not mistaken...

Just a thought. (:

"Oh, that this too, too solid flesh would melt... ZAP!!" :D

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Hi, girl in black converse.

So, you're a first-time MJ fan? Cool. You'll love his music and it's some the most beautiful pieces of art ever heard through ears. As a longtime fan, it makes you smile when you're down. Same goes for The Beatles' music.

Yes, you're basically correct on a bunch of things. I think MJ was half the reason why "Beatles Awareness" is coming back.

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Here's more recent Beatles-related news I found.

http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2010/05/07/beatles-longest-cocktail-party -movie-in-the-works/

Apparantly, people are trying to bring back Beatlemania. Mostly on the big screen. Hmm. Not quite sure about it.

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