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Scene foreshadows John's death.


At the conclusion of the break-in scene at the Beatles collective apartment, the scientist Foot points his pistol at John and pulls the trigger, but the gun doesn't fire. In reaction, John says very coldly, "Get out".

To me that scene has an eerie quality, like it seems to foreshadow John's death.

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British you see. Useless. If he'd had a Luger, eh? Herr scientist properly equipped. Think on it. The remedy is in your hands. You, the voters.

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With that quote, I guess it is kinda creepy. Since the scientist's gun was British, but John's killer was American (I assume with an American gun).

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With that quote, I guess it is kinda creepy. Since the scientist's gun was British, but John's killer was American (I assume with an American gun).

Mark David Chapman used a Charter Arms .38 Special Undercover snub-nosed revolver, an inexpensive American made revolver. Unfortunately in this case, even a cheap gun worked as designed.

Should we implicate naming one of their best albums "Revolver" as a portent of things to come too?


"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye." 2001: A Space Odyssey

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Should we implicate naming one of their best albums "Revolver" as a portent of things to come too?
Not really – they called it Revolver because a vinyl record revolves as it plays; nothing to do with a gun.

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LOL! Thanks for the reply, though I probably should have used an emoticon or something to indicate sarcasm in the question I posed.



"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye." 2001: A Space Odyssey

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No problem. I was hoping you weren't being serious.

“Sorry, this is America – a land built on the principle "finders keepers"”

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BTW, thanks for the reason they named it "Revolver". I never knew that.

McCartney also reveals why they called the album Revolver. "We suddenly thought 'What does a record do?' Hey, it revolves, great," Macca says in the mini-doc. "So we called it Revolver."






"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye." 2001: A Space Odyssey

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Good job they didn't call it "Rotator."

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You want eerie...how about John singing "Shoot me" repeatedly on "Come Together"?

Or Norm's line in A Hard Day's Night, "I'll murder that Lennon!"

Or...and this is LEGITIMATELY spooky...the death scene of John's character, Musketeer Gripweed, in How I Won The War. Hit in the stomach/chest by shrapnel, he looks dazedly at the wound, then at the camera, saying, "I knew this would happen...you knew it too...didn't you?"

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Or the lyric in Instant Karma...."pretty soon you're gonna be dead."

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Or what about John singing "Help I need somebody."😧

Sign of things to come on the 8th/9th December 1980!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It is pretty creepy

How about those DVDs of mine?

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What's even creepier is that the same scene foreshadows Ringo's death. Drowned in red paint...what a shame.

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Ringo isn't dead...

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I know, that scene is just so weird now. On top of that, people are more squeamish about gun humor these days. John's reaction is probably the most serious Beatle line in the entire movie. (He's so manly when he does it though)

And John's character in the movie How I Won the War gets shot to death also.

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just saw the movie- that scene (which maybe like 5 seconds) is one of my favorite parts, b/c on one level its funny, but another it fits with- not sure what to call it- like action hero serious moments? I just like seeing him chasing off the two idiots with two words (and a lamp).

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OMG, I didn't know.

As a matter of fact, that scene alone in the movie seems a bit more serious.

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The knife/sacrifice scenes are an eerie portent of George's wounding at the hands of an intruder, whilst the many photographs and scenes of him smoking cigarettes are an eerie portent of his death from cancer. Wilfred Brambell, an "old man", is an eerie portent (albeit in A Hard Day's Night) of Ringo and Paul's death from old age (citation needed), whilst the cellar scenes in the pub are an eerie portent of Paul's "descent" into MOR schhmaltz.

George's "suicidal" car rooftop ride is an eerie after-the-event portent of Brian Epstein's suicide. Leo McKern, later to become Rumpole Of The Bailey*, is an eerie portent of the legal battles that would afflict the Beatles and Apple.



*For non-UK readers: Rumpole Of The Bailey was a courtroom based comedy drama starring Leo McKern as the eponymous lawyer. It was like a staid, stuffy, afternoon tea version of Perry Mason.





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Uh oh. Does that mean Paul's going to die by being shrunk and then drowning in some sort of beverage?! =p



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The thing I noticed was You've Got To Hide Your Love Away was recorded or filmed on 18th February which was John Lennons future wifes birthday

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I'm going to stop coming to this board. All these eerie portents are creeping me out.




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