Remake/Reboot?


As much as I would like to see a new, accurate retelling of the Ardennes offensive, we may never see such a film.
Today's audiences are far removed from what the "greatest generation" did some 70 odd years ago.

Saving Private Ryan was the last bona fide WWII hit, and that was in 1998. Kinda hard to justify a $100 million plus budget to recreate the fiercest battle of the second world war for an audience that's been conditioned out of the idea of shared sacrifice.

I saw BOTB as a kid of the greatest generation. Most all the adult men I came in contact with at that age were veterans of the war. It was still fresh to them even though the movie was woefully incorrect.

Despite it's flaws, I still get a kick out of watching it. Clearly they thought they had a true epic on their hands, and the sheer size and scope of the production is impressive, but as history it's wrong as those cheapo miniature shots.
It is a story that needs to be told again, with the history done right.
Maybe as a miniseries from HBO or Netflix, it could work, as long as they don't Pearl Harbor-ize it.

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It really is a story that should be told with detail and accuracy. If only HBO would give it the BOB/Pacific treatment. This film ... with such disregard for accuracy ... pissed me off something fierce!

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I was just thinking about this. this needs to be told in big budget movie. look, they recently did "fury" with brad pitt. why can't they do another Battle of the bulge?

Fury was very successful. they could use CGI for masses of tanks in a new movie and it would fine as much as I hate CGI or the over use of it. plus, sad fact back then they always showed a guy get shot, and he holds his chest and falls down. that's it. not realistic.so they need to update the reality of war for sure in a new movie done like saving private ryan.

a HBO tv series? yes that would be great too. I for one would watch it played out over 24 episodes even.

who would play piper?
as far as the original movie, so what some effects are cheesy, overall it was very well done, just read they filmed it in the mountains of spain. hmm, forrests of ardennes, complete with wide open flat plains in spain with huge mountains off in the distance? oh well, who cares it was a great movie, that you can watch over and over again as I have for decades. and who doesn't like a movie with robert shaw in it?

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I've been thinking about this off and on since I read your post. I think the Battle of the Bulge has been covered fairly well. The most dramatic parts, for non-history buffs occurred in the defense of Bastogne, and that has been covered thoroughly by a couple of movies and the mini-series Band of Brothers.

What has not been covered has been the Battle of the Philippine Sea. For dramatic tension there is the threat to MacArthur's landing force on Luzon. For history it was the largest naval battle ever fought in terms of ocean area, the number of ships involved, and the number of men. For action there was the gallant stand and ordeal of Taffy 3, the destroyers and escort carriers that took on the Yamato.

It would need to be a mini-series, of course, and writing it would be a challenge. At least one, and better two one hour episodes would need to be devoted to explaining the background. Describing the forces would also take time. There were over 300 American warships involved and more than 67 Japanese. The American fleet included 8 fleet carriers, 8 light carriers, 18 escort carriers, and 12 battleships. Several of the battleships had been sunk or seriously damaged at Pearl Harbor in 1941 and then refloated and refitted.

The Japanese laid out a complex plan to trick Admiral Halsey and trap the support fleet in Leyte Gulf. Unfortunately for them, they succeeded, but by this time in the war they could not do anything right. Ah, it would be beautiful to see on the screen. Admiral Halsey is royally duped, but it doesn't matter. The US Navy has become so powerful by this time that we kill, and kill, and kill until we almost run out of targets.

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I don't think the BOTB can be done properly. The German operation and the Allies reactions were too large and too involved. Earlier movies have already done an excellent job on the defense of Bastogne. "Battleground" is as good as, or better than anything that could be done today. "Band of Brothers" takes us through the lead in to BOTB, shows the defensed of Bastogne, again, and then shows us the counter-offensive after.

None of those show what Patton does with his Third Army. That is a monumental film of his its own. That was partly covered in the biopic "Patton," but it did not show much detail.

And while the activities of the 8th and 9th Army Air Forces are alluded to, they have hardly been shown. The flyboys pass over, and then they are gone. Hell, they could at least show the ground pounders humping past burned out German tank hulls.

If they do anything, it should be a new documentary, or just dig out the best surviving copy of "The World at War" and do a full up, complete digital restoration.


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mini series...that's the answer.




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I think modern technical effects could help a lot. I think the story of Pieper would be a good focal point. That would include the massacre and the burning of the gas dump (though that a minor thing in the actual battle)

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YES! Another vote for 'Das Re-Boot'!





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you know they always talk about Bastongne, but I read an interesting book a while back about the bulge and he was saying the real story was not bastongne itself, but all the small little battles in front of bastongne when the germans first came in that was the real hero story. little villages where the germans rolled in and there were only small units of americans and how they held on. it described german units full of young kids, hyped up who would just charge forward and get mowed down.

BOTB was fantasic but it didn't touch much on the bulge did it?

I recently re-watched a bridge too far and I remember a review back then which called it a bridge too long, and seeing it again, wow, I could not believe it, thinking this movie would NEVER be made today. talk about long, they must have had like 15 scenes of minor little things with each having one big star in it. Elliot gould running around with a cigar in his mouth acting like patton while building a bridge! robert redford paddling across a river yelling, "hail mary, mother of grace!" over and over again. Gene hackman doing his best polish accent. etc etc

I swear their must have been like 23 major hollywood stars in that movie, imagine trying to do this today?

even though the bulge has been covered in stuff we like and see all the time, like the documentaries and the HBO series. if they can do a big budget movie like fury just about one tank guy and his crew I think hollywood can to a big budget movie about the bulge. featuring somebody playing hitler and his generals in the beginning, etc and a great actor playing piper and a great actor playing the general who said "Nuts!" etc. why not?

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There are so many other battles of WW2 that haven't been done yet, why do another on the BOTB? This was a decent movie. None of them are particularly true to life, if you ask anyone who's been through it (dad took me to see all the war movies back when I was a kid, and didn't tell me they weren't factual until I was in my late teens, to avoid spoiling the shows). BoB was supposedly close, but dad was dead by then, so I only have my friends who were in viet nam to tell me. Those guys? Tour of Duty was the best of the Viet Nam war era stuff.

As far as BOTB being the fiercest battle of the second world war, I'm sure there are plenty of people who will disagree with you. Stalingrad for one, might be up there, along with quite a few others. Or Kursk. Pick something on the Eastern front this time around, and bring up the Russians moving entire factories a thousand miles east.

as mentioned, plenty to tell about in the Pacific theater as well, especially earlier in the war during the end of the Japanese advances.

There's plenty to tell.

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