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RCoM and Martian Percholates


You may or may not have heard of the NASA's Phoenix which landed on Mars's northern polar regions earlier this year. One of its discoveries was that there are percholates on Mars.

Here is what one blog (martianchronicles.wordpress.com), reporting recently (16 December 2008) on a meeting of planetary scientists, had to say about them.

"Perchlorates are found on [E]arth in very arid environments like the Atacama desert in Chile, and are measured in grams per hectare. For comparison, at the Phoenix landing site, Hecht said that it would only take a few handfuls of martian soil to get a gram of perchlorate."

Elsewhere he went on:

"Another aspect of perchlorate that I thought was interesting is that it is used as an oxidizer for rocket fuel, since it gives off oxygen when heated. This makes it a potential resource for future Mars missions: astronauts could manufacture their own oxygen just by cooking the soil...."

When I read that I thought at once of RCoM and those Martian rocks Kit Draper finds which give off oxygen when heated!

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Just a coincidence, since the movie was made in 1964 and the two Viking robot landers, the first spacecraft to land on Mars, landed there in 1976.

And how did you manage to misspell "perchlorate" when it's RIGHT THERE in the text you quoted?

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While perchlorates may give off oxygen when heated, that's not the same as setting it afire ("burning like coal" the film's trailer claims). Fire is the act of oxidation, in which oxygen is bound up in a mineral. The flames the film makers show are taking what little oxygen there is in the air, not releasing more of it!

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Right, the idea of a substance RELEASING oxygen when it burns is like perpetual motion. In two words: im possible!



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Here we go again.

Time magazine article about oxygen trapped in rocks & how to release it

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1120755,00.html

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Quoted from the above cited article:

(O)xygen needn’t exist only in gaseous form above the ground. It can also be entrained safely in certain kinds of rocks. Gather the rubble and either treat it with chemicals or blast it with heat, and you can free up unlimited quantities of oxygen both for breathing and for rocket fuel.

The lunar mineral that may hold the most oxygen promise is ilmenite, a titanium oxide brought back from the moon’s Taurus-Littrow region by the Apollo 17 crew in 1972.


It may very well be possible to extract usable oxygen from rocks on the moon or on other planets. But not by burning them, as was shown in Robinson Crusoe on Mars. Fire is rapid oxidation; it CONSUMES oxygen.


All the universe . . . or nothingness. Which shall it be, Passworthy? Which shall it be?

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