Did you used to feel that Nabors was emblematic of traditional Christian small-town values and that his recent marriage puts him beyond the pale of respectability?
Or do you feel he's every bit as homespun and down to earth now as you always thought he was?
It seemed over the years he put a fair amount of effort into staying out of the headlines. In the recent press releases he said he does not consider himself an advocate for homosexual agendas. I guess I would be upset if he carried on about traditional Christian values then came out but he did not do that. I think he is every bit homespun as his fans perceive him to be and has been. I think as bad as some media people have wanted to tarnish his image that if he were into really bad things I think the media would have done an expose long before now. Having said that it will be interesting what Ron Howard will have to say once Jim has passed. I do not see any comment being made by Ron before Jim passes. The way things played out Jim outlived nearly all his The Andy Griffith Show and Gomer Pyle USMC co-stars so they are not here ready with comment. For right now I will go with that Jim is still a man of integrity and worthy of respect. Those who have seen any number of my posts would know me to be rather conservative by the way.
shareGood answer from a nice conservative. Cheers!
I really like your comments, BiffGG. And I'm not a conservative.
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I have never known Jim Nabors to be an advocate for "traditional family values" or "conservative causes". He has never led any movement or even made the smallest statement for what most people would consider "traditional values" and certainly nothing like "Christian values".
Nabors has stayed to himself and lived a very private live, never making any kind of statements in the political arena. In his most recent statement he said he doesn't consider himself an "activist" but just believes in homosexual "marriage".
I am judging him based on his work on Gomer Pyle USMC and The Andy Griffith Show- not his private life.
You're right about that, but TV viewers have a way of conflating characters with the actors playing them and Gomer Pyle pretty much turned into a brand over the years.
That's why I asked the question.
If a viewer sees an actor as the character they play then they're being silly and unrealistic. In some cases the actor's life may resemble the character but it isn't fair for us to assume such.
Jim Nabors, like many actors (like Max Baer Jr. who played Jethro Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies) became typecast, but that's the fault of Hollywood directors, producers & casting officials who refused to allow them to pursue other roles. Jim Nabors became known for his "golly gee" good ole boy due to his role on The Andy Griffith Show. Of course, his role on Gomer Pyle USMC was based on the same character (after he joined the Marines).
My personal opinion of Mr Nabors hasn't changed whatsoever (though I oppose homosexual marriage). His character as Gomer Pyle was funny, down-home and part of the charm of Mayberry. Likewise I always enjoyed George Lindsey, who played "Goober", in addition to almost everyone who played on The Andy Griffith Show.
I own some books about the show (TAGS) and have most on DVD, or tape. As to your question, do I feel "betrayed"? Not at all. Because I never saw him as a "conservative" or Christian. Just a great & funny actor....
Silly and unrealistic to be sure, but sometimes extremely well-educated - the sort of person you'd expect would know better than to conflate the two (the actor and the character).
Take Bill O'Reilly and his "Leave it to Beaver" comment. Maybe you already know the one I mean.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-mocks-bill-oreillys-fears-about -the-end-of-traditional-america/
<<<Jim Nabors, like many actors (like Max Baer Jr. who played Jethro Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies) became typecast, but that's the fault of Hollywood directors, producers & casting officials who refused to allow them to pursue other roles
No they didn't. Here is one he did after Gomer Pyle:
part 1 the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPTmWzEQJ0
part 2 the ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OrlbZdqSPU
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Do you think Indy Car is more "redneck" than NASCAR?
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True_Grits: "You're right about that, but TV viewers have a way of conflating characters with the actors playing them and Gomer Pyle pretty much turned into a brand over the years."
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Gomer Pyle has largely vanished over the decades, other than 'citizens arrest' bits on The Andy Griffith show.
I'm up early so I'm watching Gomer Pyle which is now airing on MeTV, but at four-thirty in the morning, hardly primetime viewing. I grew up on the show and haven't seen these early episodes in almost forty years.
If a person who is black appears lacking in education, it is considered racist to decide all persons of that race must be the same.
Seems to me the same could be said for deducing if Bill O'Reilly decides something about Leave It To Beaver, then all those who think conservatively must do the same.
If O'Reilly wants to hold up Beaver Cleaver as representation of a simpler time, that's his business, but that doesn't mean everyone else drones right into it.
And for the record, Gomer never stood for wholesome Americana anymore than Goober did. George Lindsey was hetero. Did conservatives get away with that one? Or was that a slap in the face to liberal America?
Rumors about Nabors go back forty years, buddy boy. Anybody who was a fan of Gomer Pyle or the Andy Griffith show or anything else Nabors did was pretty well aware of it.
Shame you missed out on that information network, my friend.
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Of course, as a Christian, I am saddened to see anyone turn away from the Lord.
But we Christians do not look to the secular for confirmation of the truth of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, but we look to Him alone.
Pray that the Lord keeps you steady in His Word, and don't listen to the unbelievers, especially the ones who claim to be of Christ, but now say that they have "evolved" or progressed to accept a "new understanding" or rejection of what the Lord's standards are for relationships with each other. God's Word is complete and whole-all of it--and both Old and New Testaments speak of Christ, as there is only one God. Those who accuse you of judging are not of the Lord, because we Christians are to spread God's Word. It is His Word that judges sin. We're only the messengers.
Stay close to Christ in prayer and in Word. What we are witnessing in our culture confirms the reality that we humans are sinful by nature and are born enemies of God. What we are witnessing is the expected clash of competing truth claims: one says that we are "endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights..." and that we can govern ourselves. (That's why we see the crumbling of this nation today.) The other truth claim is that we are sinful by nature and need guidance and salvation.
Christ restores that relationship between His beloved creation and Him.
Pray for the self-proclaimed "enlightened" and "progressive". They are in darkness. But look to the Lord as He is revealed in His Word. We Christians know that what is going on today is similar that was going on in Israel in circa 1100 BC, as described in 1 and 2 Kings. And it has happened since. This nation is based on a erroneous assumptions of human nature. Ancient Greece, this nation's model, failed. Why should we expect it would work now?
But the Kingdom of God is eternal! He is to whom we are to belong! Praise be to God!
Peace of the Lord to you.
Did David and Jonathan turn away from "The lord" too?
I don't suppose you realize this, but your post is riddled with stock phrases that sound like the product of brainwashing.
True_Grits: "Did you used to feel that Nabors was emblematic of traditional Christian small-town values and that his recent marriage puts him beyond the pale of respectability?
Or do you feel he's every bit as homespun and down to earth now as you always thought he was?"
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Do you think homosexuals feel 'betrayed' by his not outing himself half a century or so ago, at least forty years ago when the rumors began, and that he could have stood out and been proud and served as an example for other homosexuals who have since felt rejected by society and committed suicide?
Although I really like old TV series' like Gomer Pyle, USMC and The Andy Griffith Show, I've come to realize that most of Hollywood, even the people we perceive as being conservative, middle class Christians, have left wing extremist views. That's why they donated millions to the communist currently squatting illegally in the White House. Now and then you'll find somebody in the film industry who's not a left wing extremist, but for the most part Hollywood is about as far left as anywhere else in the world. Thank the Lord I don't live there.
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You claim to defend Jim but just in the last day you posted a new thread which basically ridicules the man. Care to square what you said today and yesterday.
share'Surprise, surprise, that's not my finger!' is not an attempt to ridicule Nabors.
It's an attempt to lead people to an old joke that was popular at my grade school back in the 1970's, if you punch that line into google.
So what is the point to leading people to an old joke? I really do not think you are laughing with the man as they say versus laughing at him.
shareOkay, we know you liberals hate God because you can't stand being told what to do by your Maker. And as for invading stinking muslim countries, go complain about it to the left wing communist squatting in the White House illegally. They're the ones trying to invade this country. If they hate us so much nobody's gonna complain if they leave all their convenience stores and move back to the middle east.
shareConservatives hate God because they pretty much ignore all that stuff about helping the poor, turning the other cheek, giving away their wealth and following Jesus, loving their enemy as themselves, throwing the first stone, judging and condemning others, etc. and that is just off the top of my hat. So before you guys go on about God, maybe you should show YOU REALLY BELIEVE and make the world a better place. Remember, the Bible New Testament has a Liberal Bias and parts of it are down right socialist in its views. You should read it sometime, instead of believing in "AMERICAN JESUS".
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mejsmith... You have no concept of conservatives and it is very obvious that you do not know any. ALL of the conservatives I know love God, follow Jesus, love their fellow man, give a lot to charity, and help out where they can. What do YOU do???
You sure have not read the New Testament with any understanding. It DOES NOT have a liberal bias in any way, nor is it socialist. Liberals have no morals. Everything goes. Whatever seems right to THEM must be okay. The New Testament has RULES on what is right and wrong. Jesus has LOTS of rules on what we should and should not do. Liberals must really hate that.
It DOES NOT have a liberal bias in any way, nor is it socialist.
flapdoodle64... God did not make Nabors a homosexual. God clearly says that homosexuality is a sin and He would not create someone that way. Homosexuals are not born that way. Even science confirms that. There is no way that he should feel betrayed by God. God gives us free will to choose Him or not.
As for feeling betrayed, no, I do not. It's his life and his soul. He's the one who has to deal with it. It's between him and God. Why should I feel betrayed? He wasn't put on this earth to please me. He doesn't even know me. I feel sad for him, but whatever he does with his private life in no way takes away from what he has done to entertain us.
google Matthew Shepard. That will make you very happy.
suzycreamcheese RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008
Which Communist is that? Hard to tell the two parties apart outside of the US. One has a black fellow as President and the other has a bunch of white folks complaining about it and trivial BS like guns, while they continue to get lower and lower wages and continue to lose their jobs. Anyways, both your parties kiss up to bankers, oilmen and other corporate riff raff and really couldn't care less what you want, other than to divide and conquer and they have done well. Congratulations on playing the game so well, when it is done you can go quietly to your church, hat in hand and gun in pocket and starve to death, rob a bank or beg for scraps.
sharemejsmith... You have no idea what you are talking about. Your concept of what it is like in the U.S. is not even close.
shareThat's why they donated millions to the communist currently squatting illegally in the White House.
Who in the Hell cares?! He's a human being like the rest of us, and that's what should be important. God is supposed to love ALL created in his image. It seems as though Christians love to wrap themselves in the Bible, but don't like to live by it. If there is one thing God would not love, it would be hypocrisy.
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shareI still see Jim and his character the same because of the way he married. He married for himself and his partner, and NO ONE ELSE. If it weren't for me coming across a video on YouTube I wouldn't have known. I saw the reports from Hawaii but other than that... I didn't see reports on my local stations or newspapers (maybe there were some on celebrity gossip shows but I don't watch them), I didn't see magazine covers... He could have made a big show of his marriage and gotten a lot of attention; he could have told the world that the biggest question about him was finally answered, he could have made this a political issue by pointing out the fact that he had to fly to another state to get married because his home state wouldn't allow it. We know celebrities of later generations would have called more attention to themselves, as if they needed it. You know what, I think I admire Jim more after finding out about his marriage and thus affirmations of his sexuality.
I consider myself a conservative. Usually when celebrities and politicians bring up gay rights/acceptance I cringe. If I were gay I wouldn't want some of these people attempting to speak for me. As a conservative and a Christian I do not want certain other "leaders" to speak for me either. I think loudmouths on both sides are just prolonging the fight rather than helping us to "coexist." Though it is not a typical conservative opinion, I do believe gays should be allowed to legally marry. I believe a small percentage of people are born gay and that cannot be undone. But I do not believe everyone who says they're gay or lesbian truly are that way--for some people it has become a choice, and I have no idea why they would choose it.
Some day I would like to see my state, Indiana, legalize gay marriage. Think of all those years Jim sang for us... :)
I've loved Jim Nabors since I was a tiny little girl. He just enchanted me. I watched Gomer Pyle and then Jim's variety show religiously. He's made countless people happy over the years, including me. He deserves to be happy too in his marriage and I wish him well.
I'd put a stupid saying here but I won't.
You must of gone into state of shock when you first found out that Jeanie was not a real jeannie but just an actress named Barbara Eden or that Samantha was not really a witch but really just an actress named Elizabeth Montgomery. Hey, buddy, hold on to your hat, I got some REAL SHOCKING NEWS!!! The seven castaways were NEVER stranded on a deserted island! They were infact just actors and actresses at a CBS television studio! The problem, my friend, you follow that bull sh!t called RELIGION and you believe ANYTHING...
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