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David Lynch Similarities?


Does anybody else think that there are some striking similarities between this film and certain filmworks by David Lynch? I'm particularly thinking of Eraserhead. Some of the camerawork is very similar in style, I'll have to watch both films again to come up with some specific examples. Also, the presentation of the nightmare world that the central character has no control over is very similar in both films.

I know that Lynch is a fan of Kafka, and he even began work on a film adaptation of The Metamorphosis at one time, but it never happened.

I could go into a little more depth and detail about the similarities between Welles's version of The Trial and David Lynch's work, but I really just wanted to find out if anybody else felt the same way about it.

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Naw.

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Well, both this and Eraserhead have an everyman pitted against God-knows-what. I had never really thought about it before though. I guess because I think of Lynch as a staple of modern filmmaking and Wells as that of older cinema. I don't ever think that Lynch ever really equaled the genius of this film. Perhaps because while Lynch has a flair for atmosphere he has never been the master of pacing that Welles was. I would still like to see a Luynch movie of Kafka though.

PRIDE

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Thanks, both of you, Haxel and sexy. It's good to find people who share similar opinions, but honestly, it's difficult just finding people who have seen both films. The Trial seems to be one of Welles's most overlooked pieces of work.

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Tell me asout it. Citizen Kane ande Touch of Evil both get a lot of traffic on here, but this page is nearly dead. It's pretty unfair since I agree with Welles that The Trial was his best work. I'd been hunting for Eraserhead for years before I finally saw it. Most times you go into a videostore asking for that you get funny looks and "who's David Lynch?". I finally saw it in college, with Japanese subtitles. I was so pleased someone had the balls to make a film that unconventional.

PRIDE

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As I was watching this, I not only thought of Lynch (particularly Eraserhead), but also of Terry Gilliam. Brazil seems to reflect much of the look and feel of The Trial.
I couldn't help thinking that if the movie were to be remade (not something I think needs to happen) it might be good in the hands of Cronenberg. I never used to give him much credit, but lately I've seen that I was mistaken.
Welles was something. That's for sure.

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Brazil owes a few things to Welles's Kafka as it's other major source (apart, of course, from 1984). Which is not to take anything from Gilliam who is a master in his own right. Cronenberg was always up to something Kafkaesque, but never, I think, quite as ambitiously as Welles's film. I love Cronnenberg but he's no Welles.

PRIDE

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Yeah, I know what you're saying. It's just that lately, Cronenberg's really been impressing me. I think Spider is hands down his best work, and so different from the bio-mechanical, slimey, freaky stuff he's known and loved for.
But, yeah, Welles was a master. I won't say he was the best (because, who's to say really?), but he's up there for sure.

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Really? I thought Spider was a bit too thin. It was good, but it didn't really attempt very much, as a dramatic piece or anything. I prefer The Dead Zone (movie with Walken) or Naked Lunch.

Welles comes pretty damn close to best for me. Because, really, is there a better film than Citizen Kane? Not many if any.

PRIDE

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I just rewatched Naked Lunch for the first time in about twelve years. Boy, that's a good one.
I guess Spider just stuck with me more. It somehow felt a little more grown up. That sounds snobby, and I don't mean to, but he finally seemed to let go of the bio-tech fetish for a moment, and try something new. I liked that.
I just brought home Citizen Kane, and am going to watch that for the first time in twenty or more years. I'm pretty jazzed.

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Body horror is one of those things that keeps Cronnenberg distinct, though. Restraint is often a good thing, but I don't think the core story of Spider is strong enough to stand without something more. Being grown-up doesn't have to mean stripped down. My favorite opium of the Croneberg film, however, was never the gore, it was the paranoia, the constant addition of other plots and characters who may or may not be real.

Citizen Kane is always a good watch, the first time or the last time. For me it never gets old, which is why I own the DVD.

PRIDE

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What i like about cronenberg is the sharpness of the knife on wich he balances good and evil, normal and strange. You should check out "The Brood" & "Dead Ringers" wich i think is some of the best work he did, because they balance so well between dramatic value and the "Bio-mechanical slimey, freaky stuff he´s known and loved for."

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Actually this movie was "remade",
or rather the book was made into a movie
again, in 1993.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108388/
Staring Lynch favourite Kyle MacLachlan
and even Anthony Hopkins. It was filmed in
Prague so looks visually representative of
the literature.
I really reccomend this film for more
of a purist Kafka experience. The Welles
film is great, but it's really very much a Welles film,
you know...

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Yeah, I've kinda have felt the same thing about Welles' version of The Trial and Lynch's Eraserhead. Another film that I think fits with those two is Aronofsky's Pi, it sorta has a similar feel as those two, just a way more frantic style, it's also in my opinion the least of the three (but it's still a pretty interesting and good film never the less).

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I like all three and agree that they share a sub-genre. It's the paranoid man vs. the world theme, in which man will lose. It's very interesting because it reflects a state of mind most people try to hide: true lonliness, the state of being an outsider in life.

PRIDE

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Maybe that's one of the reasons those films appeal to me so much. People are water, and I am a duck's back. I can paddle around all I want, but I cannot dive, and they cannot fly.

Also, Pi is good. I haven't seen it in some years, though.

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Interesting way of putting it. If you enjoyed Pi I suggest you also see the somewhat similar Jacob's Ladder by Adrian Lyne, which Aronofsky credits as one of his influences.

PRIDE

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I love Pi and Jacob's Ladder, but I'd have never though of Jacob's Ladder as an influence on Pi. Maybe I'll watch both tonight.

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Like eraserhead and pi, the trial is an expressionist black and white film, but like many others.

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Apparantly Welles based the look of this film partly on the language of his own dreams, which is a similar angle to where Lynch is coming from. I think the biggest similarity is that they both manage to create believable worlds, which are complete in themselves, but do not adhere to the impirical world of cause-and-effect. They both present images of how our selves and our surroundings impinge on us at the partly subconscious level of feeling and anxiety. Also, they both focus on the mainly subjective world of a single main protaganist.

But there are many differences between the two films. The Trial is far more wordy than Eraserhead, coming as it does from a book (but is also very visual). Very little of what is communicated through Eraserhead is done so with words of any kind, as Lynch is working more on the primary level of imagery. I would also add that Eraserhead is far less intellectual than The Trial (and not in a bad way). Some of the camerawork may be, as you say, similar in style, but much of it is not. We rarely see in Eraserhead any of the frenetic camerawork which appears in certain parts of The Trial. This is linked also to the fact that the pace of The Trial for the most part is very different to that in Eraserhead. There is also far less movement in Eraserhead: think of all the different surreal environments that K moves through, while Henry's physical environment is confined mainly by his apartment block, and the immediately surrounding area. Henry's world is more stagnant and decayed.

Lynch once said that he really likes Kafka, and feels that he could be his brother.

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Mm, well said.

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Although I noticed some similarity in sound editing, specifically the use of a crescendo of background mechanical hum (sewing machines/industrial machines) to imply building tension, i did not recognize any strikingly direct similarities between the trial and eraserhead.
I think the link lies in their particular place, straddling the divide between narritive and non-narritive films. Both films have a more linear narrative than say Meshes of the Afternoon or Un Chien Andalou, but both employ a type of dream logic that leans toward surrealism, while making more direct points and functioning as more proper allegories than traditional surrealists would usually stand for. The lead characters in my opinion are much more different than they are similar.
I do feel Gilliam's Brazil is indebted to this, primarily in the film's dealing with the issue of beureaucracy, which also seemed to deeply concern kafka.
In both films a long coreographed tracking shot is employed as the film first presents the idea of negotiating the working world and traversing its hierarchies.
I'm referring to the long tracking shot following sam lowry to his office in Brazil and the 1st Sewing machine factory track in The Trial. Brazil also straddles that line between dream logic but with more pointed allegorical narrative. There is also a direct odessa steps reference in Brazi.
In closing, let's not compare the sh#t out of things unless absolutely necessary.

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filodough. you write really beautiful, thoughtful stuff.

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I too thought of Eraserhead while watching The Trial. But I agree with you regarding the differences. Well said!

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hmm...
no.

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Aside from the similarities that both films are in black & white, and both present worlds far removed from the ordinary experience of most people (I think), I see no consanguinity in the films. Lynch remains very much the introvert as artist, whereas Welles is the paragon of extroverts.

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