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Edwards nearly always does comedies, such as 10, Operation Petticoat.

The "caper" movie was an established genre by this time. The character of the "gentleman thief" also was a standard type, such as "the Saint." Niven had played one of the most famous, "A.J. Raffles," in a popular 1939 movie.

Having farce clash with genre was popular in this era. Abbott and Costello did about a dozen in the 1950s, such as Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. Bob Hope did some similar ones.

In The Pink Panther the gimmick is that the focus is on the bumbling, Keystone-Kops-like police detective -- like Lestrade in the Holmes stories, also a stock figure -- with the suave and dapper gentleman-thief in this case in the background.

A famous "heist" movie came out about the same time, Topkapi. The genre continues, with Mamet's The Heist, remakes of Raffles, etc.

Sellers prepared for a year for the role; doesn't sound like anticipating a minor part.

And Sellers and Niven were together in the psychedelic 1967 version of Casino Royale (each, with several others, playing James Bond), with Sellers having a larger role. Doubtful that Niven would have been willing to do this if Sellers had taken the focus of 1963's Pink Panther from Niven.

So, IMHO, the movie from the outset was intended to be a showcase for Clouseau, with Niven playing a stereotypical gentleman-thief as his foil.

So I'd like to hear more evidence that the focus of The Pink Panther changed while it was being filmed. I'd be surprised an Oscar-winning super-star like Niven would have tolerated that sort of switch. But if you did a comedy with, say, Ray Romano in the lead and Sean Connery in any substantial role, it's probable that Connery, too, would get top billing.

The title of the movie of course refers to neither, but to the diamond itself.




Some interesting connections: Niven's unit in WWII was the "Phantom Reconnaissance Regiment," a kind of commando unit.

A few years later, Niven took the Clouseau role, as the police detective, in the heist movie Rough Cut, a little-known Don Siegel/Larry Gelbart picture with Burt Reynolds and Leslie-Ann Down as the jewel thieves.

Niven was a partner in Four-Star productions, which had hired Edwards as a writer in the 1950s.

Niven in Casino Royale was reunited with Deborah Kerr, his co-star from his 1958 Oscar-winning movie. Lots of such allusions in movies, meant to get a laugh from the audience.

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i got the sense that the shift didn't quite come while the movie was being shot, but more so after its release...

sure, Sellers' scenes may have been embellished a little compared to the original script (due to the supposed chemistry between Sellers and Edwards at the time), but Sellers still did not appear in a large portion of the film, while the story seemed to follow Sir Charles to a somewhat greater extent than it did Clouseau... not only that, but the ending still showed Clouseau getting sent to prison while The Phantom & Co. rode off into the sunset... all this leads me to believe that it is quite possible that the film was intended to spark a series of Phantom comedy heist films - HOWEVER, as the story goes, audience reactions were so positive towards the character of Clouseau that this and Sellers' personal unhappiness during the filming of A Shot in the Dark (which led to massive rewrites and Edwards being brought in to direct) led to the quick production of the second Clouseau film, more firmly putting out attention on Clouseau...

now two films hardly constitutes a major series, and who knows if Niven was even interested in doing a series of Phantom films, even if that was the filmmakers' original desire, so it's no surprise to me that Niven would be willing to team up with Sellers again in '67 for Casino Royale... although a third Clouseau film was released in '68, Sellers passed on it, and didn't reprise Clouseau again until '75, at which point it finally did start to become a major series, but by then, so much time had passed, and Niven's health was already starting to decline, so again, it's no real surprise to me if Niven didn't hold a grudge - and he apparently didn't, since he not only starred alongside Sellers again in 1978's Murder By Death, but he also reprised The Phantom again for Trail of the Pink Panther and Curse of the Pink Panther after Sellers' untimely death...

nothing about the supposed shift of the series' focus smells even the least bit fishy to me... by all accounts, Niven was seemingly as gentlemanly in real life as many of the characters he portrayed over the years...

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well explained, thanks for the interesting points you made.

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You have to keep in mind that "The Pink Panther" is ultimately an ensemble comedy, and Niven probably received top billing because he was the most well-known actor in the cast at that time, or perhaps it was even a contractual reason.

My understanding is that the role of Clouseau wasn't "re-written", only that audiences absolutely loved the character to the point where he became the main focus of the film for most viewers.

"The Pink Panther" is a fairly standard 60s sex comedy, with the major exception of the Clouseau character played to comic perfection by Sellers. It's a tribute to his genius that he was able to take this role, which-as written-may have constituted a "supporting role", and through every movement, gesture, articulation, managed to outshine the rest of the cast.

People love these kinds of "underdog" stories. To listen to the "making of" documentaries and interviews, you'd think that making any film was an insurmountable task requiring moving Heaven and Hell to get it finished. Realistically, Sellers had been an emerging comic actor since at least the mid-50s, and had graduated from supporting roles in films like "The Ladykillers" to a memorable multi-character turn in "The Mouse That Roared". Like most British actors of his time (and today, actually), he took smaller roles that he considered to be good, well-written parts, rather than feeling the need to get top-billing in every project. "The Pink Panther" was a performance so brilliant and immediately popular, it catapaulted him into major stardom. Niven had already been a prominent star since at least the late 30s and by the time of "The Pink Panther" was playing the kind of suave role that he specialized in.

The character was so popular that another film that was in the works at the time, "A Shot in the Dark", was crafted into a Clouseau vehicle (it had been based on a stage play and was originally intended to star Walter Matthau). So "A Shot in the Dark" became the follow-up/sequel to "The Pink Panther", and in many ways was an even stronger film. After this, Sellers lost interest in doing more "Pink Panther" films until 1975, when Blake Edwards was looking for a project with good potential following several flops, and Sellers (whose career had also been in decline since about 1968) was looking to raise money to produce his dream project, "Being There". I would have to say that the idea of creating a "series" out of the Pink Panther was probably Blake Edwards' idea, chiefly, since he continued (against his better judgement, many would say) with several more films even after Sellers passed away in 1980.


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Don Siegel/Larry Gelbart picture

Wow.


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In a TCM interview with Walter Mirisch, he stated that Peter Ustinov pulled out of Clouseau (figuratively speaking)_after Ava Gardner pulled out of Capucine's eventual role. It was after filming began that they realized Sellers and not Niven would be the focus, and Niven was his usual gentlemanly self. I don't remember if Mirisch said that Sellers so hated either this or "A Shot In The Dark" that he was willing to donate the salaries from his next 3 pictures to can the film!

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Niven has way more screentime, but Sellers is better, funnier. There is one large bulk, when Niven is with the princess as she's drinking and scenes that follow, where Sellers isn't in the movie for at least twenty long minutes.

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