Who do you think had it the worst?
In other words, whose shoes would you least want to be in?
shareRussell Finch had certainly dug himself into a hole - sinking $40,000 into a company that makes edible seaweed for over $4 a can (What is that in current-day money? Yipe). And then there's his...mother-in-law.
I see you can buy canned seaweed, and only $3 and change in today's money...so they did manage to get the price down.
Emmeline, do you know why your husband had a nervous breakdown? It's because he has sunk $40,000, including $15,000 of my money into a company that makes seaweed for people to eat. And not only does nobody like it, but it costs over $4.00 a can!
If Mama Cass had handed that ham sandwich to Karen Carpenter two lives might have been saved
+[email protected], "...sinking $40,000 into a company that makes edible seaweed for over $4 a can (What is that in current-day money? Yipe)"
Lesse,
Crump and Pike did the most damage to pay for, but at least Crump and Bell didn't lose their cars.
Finch lost an Imperial. He and Hawthorne lost a rental car, and Hawthorne a possibly leased jeep wagon. Meyer lost a 16-year-old Ford.
Meyer, Pike, and Sylvester Marcus all stole vehicles. Naughty, naughty!
Pike and the two cab drivers probably lost their jobs, unless Pike was independent.
Culpeper lost his job, his pension, his family, and the admiration of his coworkers.
I would say that, of the guys under the Big W, Benji Benjamin gets off relatively lightly, having committed no terrible crimes, not even reckless driving.
Of the people under the Big W, Culpeper has the least enviable future.
Of the guys who went down to the Grogan wreck, Pike, quite ironically due to his moral character, has the most to answer for.
Of course, I wouldn't want to end up in a convent, either.
Pike did indeed demolish the gas station.However,even though they believed Pike to be an escaped mental patient due to Otto Meyer;Ray & Irwin were holding Pike against his will.
Pike tried to get free & they fought him. There cannot be any justification for Pike stealing their tow truck or knocking down their water tower.
I agree that Pike shouldn't be responsible for demolishing the station. He was held captive by Ray and Irwin and really Pike did nothing to them. He got free of being taped to a chair and was assaulted, so he defended himself.
He stole the truck (as could be argued by a good lawyer) to get away from Ray and Irwin as best he can, so really was justified in doing so. For that matter, one could argue that Pike didn't know how to drive the tow truck, and so had it in reverse by mistake and knocked down the water tower; but that might be hard for a judge or jury to swallow.
Meyer, Pike, and Sylvester Marcus all stole vehicles. Naughty, naughty!
This scene was deleted, apparently, but as Sylvester drives off from his tiki pad, bikini girl yells "That's my husband's car!" I'd still say it wasn't so much stealing as it was impulsive and stupid.
shareI agree the Crumps (Caesar, Adams) and Pike (Winters) ended up in the worst legal straits in the film's aftermath.
Mr. and Mrs. Crump committed arson and theft.
Pike committed so many felonies you lose track ! From a detached point of view, Pike is a very scary, dangerous man.
Emeline Marcus-Finch by contrast was completely innocent of any wrongdoing, even the vandalism of the park at the end. That she was stuck in a prison dress in the final scene was more an indicator that the police were still trying to sort out who did what at this point and that they were holding her for questioning for now.
Come to think of it, her mother is mostly innocent aside from some conspiracy charges.
I would have to disagree on the Crumpe being liable for the basement damage. They were locked in there.
It may be illegal, but I got to tell ya, lock me in a building all night and I'm doing everything I can to get out of there and I will be arguing my case.
Yeah, but the fact that they were locked in doesn't give them the right to demolish the place. I'd like to hear a lawyer's take on just how far a person could go toward forcing their way out before they're liable for damages.
"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Wasn't there something about this happening at the recent Russian Olympics where a door was destroyed because someone got locked in somewhere? No charges of damages were brought about.
In tv and film, Ross, Phoebe and the other lady were all locked in a supply closet on Friends when his son Ben was born.
James Brolin was in a movie 40 years ago in which he was locked in a department store with vicious guard dogs.
Mad World was a bit over the top obviously with the antics of trying to get out of the basement, but as Crump put it, that was some door, that was a hard door.
If they set the stairs on fire, we could wonder where their air supply was coming from.
Most of the Damage was caused by fireworks-they can't be blamed for that since they didn't know about the fireworks.
They locked the door, cut the electricity-so they couldn't sound the fire alarm. They can't be blamed for trying anything to get out. If I were a judge in a civil suit against the crumps-I would rule that they can't be held responsible for the damage-besides why were they keeping fireworks in the basement anyway??? Hardly a safe place for fireworks.
I don't feed trolls--I eat them(for breakfast!!)
Jay
Even though I was a kid when I saw this originally, I thought it was strange that they'd fill that side of the basement with fireworks! Considering that, the Crumps might even have some leverage in a countersuit for the store's negligence in storing the fireworks and endangering them (and the whole neighborhood?).
I always have wondered too why, if the store was closed for lunch (what store that size does that?), they locked the basement.
"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
I always assumed the door that was closed was a fire door and the basement was the appropriate place to store the fireworks, dynamite, etc.
shareI don't agree; if I were locked in a cellar, I would demolish the place to get out of there, and feel I'd be justified in doing so. I don't know how long I'd be down there, I don't know about air supply. The burglar alarm doesn't work, apparently there was no phone to call out. And really all they intended to demolish at first was the door, any door.
shareWell for sure the person who is worst off is Culpepper, and he says so himself near the film's end. He lost his job, pension, wife, daughter, and while everyone else will likely get off lightly with fines and suspended sentences, he will get the book thrown at him.
Emotionally however, the person most hurt has to be Emmaline. She wanted to go to the police from the start, did nothing illegal, and then has to suffer the embarrassment of being in a prison dress; even in a convent that scene will stick with her forever. Not to mention she's got an overbearing mother, a husband who can't put a thought together, and a brother who doesn't even know her name.
To those of you who defend Crump for "trying to get out of being locked in over night," remember that Doodles Weaver told him that the store was closed for lunch.
shareWell but wait: Doodles also told the Crumps that Dinkler was inside, and so they went in. Dinkler unknowingly locked them in, and Doodles was apparently too hungry to wait around and tell Dinkler about them.
I get that the movie plot meant for the Crumps to be locked in, but there was no sane reason to not let them out. So really it was Culpepper more than anyone who kept the Crumps locked in that store. I assume Dinkler was insured against damages anyway.
Didn't the police keep the store owner from letting them out because of a silly bet? Maybe the police should be held accountable for that mess.
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Emotionally however, the person most hurt has to be Emmaline. She wanted to go to the police from the start, did nothing illegal, and then has to suffer the embarrassment of being in a prison dress
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In the final scene I never thought that Emmeline was wearing a prison dress. I would say that the eleven men were all seriously injured in the preceding scene and were in an intensive care ward in a hospital. I would say that Emmeline and the other women were hospital visitors wearing hospital gowns, as visitors to an intensive care ward were required to change into gowns before entering the ward.
I disagree. They looked like they were wearing the typical women's prison garb of the very early 1960s. As for Emmaline, she was under arrest, but probably hadn't been convicted yet. She might have been. After all, she did go along with her husband and American complicity and accessory laws are very broad.
shareI won't agree with you on this point pmiano but I won't disagree with you either because the evidence is too vague.
I haven't seen this movie for years so I have to go from memory and what I recall is the seriously injured men being in an intensive care ward with two police officers (they wore the same uniforms as the police officers in Culpepper's office) on guard at the doorway. If I remember correctly the three women then walked in (dressed in what I considered to be hospital gowns) and accompanied by a nurse.
Of course I may be mistaken and my memory may be inaccurate but I reserve judgement until I see it again.
By the way if you are right, are the accused in the USA compelled to wear prison uniforms BEFORE they are convicted of a crime? And are remand prisoners allowed to visit family members in hospital?
In most states, if you are put in jail while awaiting or undergoing trial, you are required to wear prison uniforms, even if you haven't been convicted yet. In some states, you must attend your trial in prison uniform. As for remand prisoners being allowed to visit family members in hospital, it is possible, as this was a prison ward. It is not usually allowed however unless the patient is critically ill. I agreed with Spencer Tracy's character that the judge might go easy on the others, but would throw the book at him. Judges hate cops who go bad.
The women were in the prison garb given women in the early 196os. They now wear the same coveralls men do. You'll notice they were marched in, not escorted in casually.
Captain Culpepper. At the end of the film, he lost EVERYTHING, and probably everybody's crime will be pinned on him somehow. Greed got the better of him. He'd been obsessed with Smiler Grogan and the tuna factory robbery for so many years. He wanted the money that criminal stashed, but if he went for it, he'd be caught. So he let these other people go for it, dig it up, and then show up and confiscate it as "evidence", only to turn around and attempt to flee the country. Sure, he could've retired with the triple pension the chief blackmailed the mayor for him, but nope, it was personal. He was a good cop that succumbed to greed.