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Lonnie's shocking anti-religious statement at the end.


Were you shocked by what Lonnie said to the undertaker at his Grandad's funeral?
Since his Grandad seemed to be a religious man I expected Lonnie to be the same way.

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Well, in the scene where Hud argues in his bedroom with his father, he hollers that Homer used to "quote scripture and verse like you wrote it yourself". Seemed to me then that Homer used to reference the bible frequently to back up his morality. Then the funeral scene showed Homer's casket being carried out of a church.

I think it's safe to say that Homer was religious even though we never see him pray or reference God in any way in the movie but we see that he is indeed a moral man.

Since Lonnie leaned towards his grandfather's morality, I would have assumed that Homer installed his values in Lonnie also backed up by his Christian beliefs. That's why it was a shock to me that Lonnie would say such a thing. I'd expect that dialogue to come out of Hud. I wonder if maybe the book (which I didn't read) offers an explanation for Lonnie's attitude?

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I agree in part with mike-848. Homer was a moral man and it may have been imparted by Christian faith, but this was not a driver in the story. The "anti-religious" notion by the OP is more a part of his own orientation than that of the film-makers. Lonnie was initially impressed by Hud as "cool", partly due to the absence of his own father. But Lonnie came to see that Hud was selfish, amoral and had no future.......this was a major theme in the story. Lonnie always loved his grandfather, but came to see that his initial infatuation with Hud was mis-placed. So I see Lonnie's comment at the funeral to be his realization and anger that his grandfather died too soon and not in small part due to Hud. So I don't see Lonnie's statement as "anti-religious", but rather an expression of his pain....his grandfather (his true hero) was gone.

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One doesn't have to be Christian to be moral. One doesn't have to believe in God or an afterlife to be moral. In those days, in the rural western U.S., everyone had their funeral in the local church, regardless of their religious beliefs - it was the only indoor place to meet that was big enough for a funeral in many cases. So, I don't agree with your assumption that he must have been "religious" (in a conventional sense in believing in a god or gods) because is is moral or had his funeral in a church.

My real name is Jeff

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I agree with you.

But as I stated before in an earlier post, in the scene where Hud argues in his bedroom with his father, he hollers that Homer used to "quote scripture and verse like you wrote it yourself". It's in the movie.

We are told thru HUD that Homer indeed used to reference the bible frequently to back up his morality. Homer WAS a Christian and WAS religious.

In the context of the movie, that's why I was kinda stunned by Lonnie's remark.

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The remark was intended to stun, I'm sure. It merely reflects Lonnie's disillusionment and pain. However, his hurt at HUD's behavior and the passing of his Grandfather clearly show that he DID inherit his Grandfather's morals and values. He just didn't inherit his Grandfather's religious beliefs - at least at that moment he wasn't feeling those beliefs.

My real name is Jeff

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Why is it shocking? He seemed like an intelligent, open-minded young man.

Regardless of the superstitions of the Grandfather, there's no reason that Lonnie shouldn't be able to form rational opinions of his own.

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My view is that of mike-848 second post. For the time the film was made, I think it was supposed to be somewhat a shock .

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You may be right. But speaking for myself, and as a boy during that time, my peers and family viewed religion as archaic and a bit quaint. Darwin published his great work in 1859 after all. Most of us had already moved on.

So I don't see it as shocking, but just staking out intellectual territory as a modern person.
I liked it because it was practical, not polemical or confrontational. It's really no more "anti-religious" than telling a kid that Santa is Dad in a red suit.

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Aww...posting an inflammatory opinion just to get a negative reaction. How quaint and expected from your ilk. It's ok though. I'm sure He forgives you.

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I think that was put into the script to show that Lonnie had come to have doubt about what he would be expected to believe in, and that he had in a sense "grown up" as an independent person. It highlights the change in his opinion about HUD at the end of the movie.

My real name is Jeff

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I agree it was somewhat surprising, considering Lonnie embraces his grandfather's morality, and rejects Hud's hedonism. I take it as perhaps a moment of crisis in his faith, in the depths of his grief.

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Lon doesn't really reject Hud's hedonism. He appears to like the idea of it but seems to lack something personally as far as pursuing it. Maybe a bit more reserved.

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Shocked by common sense? Huh?



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Lonnie was a good/moral kid. That's why he finally rejected his Uncle Hud for being the crass lout he was. He was upset about his beloved grandfather's demise, and disappointed with life in general. He made the logical inference that religious beliefs had no reality in his life. They didn't seem to help Homer. I personally think Lon was correct in his observation.

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The only shocking thing about is the realization of just how much the power of the production code had dispersed by then. It's no wonder that is was completely broken down 3 years later.

A decade or so earlier, there is no way, such a line would've been allowed and Hud would've been required to receive a much harsher punishment. Thank goodness, the film was made when it was.

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It is better to be in the air than in the dirt. Reality is better than primitive fairy tales. No shock there.

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"Reality is better than primitive fairy tales."

Ugh, evangelical atheism is so obnoxious. Give it a rest.

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