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not bad, a bit outdated, Bernard Herrmann, SAM RAIMI(?)


finally managed to watch this yesterday.

first, i am shocked no one pointed this out yet:
i am 100% certain that Sam Raimi borrowed some of the camera tricks used here on the "ghost dog outside the door" scene, when it sniffs. the lens used, the movement, it's all there. even the sound fx. Raimi just took it to a different comical horror angle in Evil Dead II. anyone agrees?

now for my opinion:

i usually don't enjoy retro movies, unless they are exceptionally realistic.
i don't like retro acting, and directing.
in this film it was decent, but still it felt a bit outdated for my taste.
some of the acting was not realistic, etc.

that brings me to the most important change i would have made in this film:

as some reviewers wrote, it would have been a better film if Hitchcock directed it. maybe. but again, i am shocked no one addresses the MUSIC SOUNDTRACK!!
i personally found it VERY outdated, annoying, and too cliche like many other horror films done at the time. i hated that.the sound fx and atmosphere were done pretty well and original for the time, so the music was pretty much a big let down IMO.
i'm not sure Hitckcock would have made this film better, however, i think i can say very certainly that if Bernard Herrmann would have written the soundtrack, this film was tons better.

besides that, the camerawork was very good. saved the film IMO.
i must say it wasn't THAT frightening. i just liked the atmosphere of "being" there with the characters. it was fun. the story was ok. maybe it was original at the time, but now it was a bit predictable.
also, some of the characters motivations were not very realistic (unless it was most in Eleanor's mind of course).

i think it deserves a 7.5, for the camerawork, directing, originality at the time.

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Well. Okay.

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thanks for the kind words :P

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The fact that Raimi 'borrowed' from the film is testament to its impact. EVERY horror film made since has 'borrowed' from it, lessening every original aspect of it from familiarity. Back 50 years ago, I can assure you, it wasn't old-fashioned - and it still isn't.

"No fate but what we make." -Terminator II

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well, still i must insist that the music soundtrack was putting me off at some scenes, and the film could have had a lot more impact with a proper creepy soundtrack.


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A) This film is not retro. The definition of retro is "looking like or relating to styles or fashions from the past". It doesn't look like or relate. It IS the style of the past. It's called a catalogue title, classic or simply "old".

B) Why is this a message board post and not a user review? If these are your thoughts and there's no discussion about it, it seems like you're just walking onto the board and fueling fire with the fans of the film that are actually discussing. This isn't a discussion topic at all.

C) What's a "proper creepy soundtrack"? Are you viewing this through 2013 eyes or making allowances for what scared people in 1963? Sorry, but if you measure a 1963 film against 2013 films, you're going to be disappointed. If you take it for what it is and stop being a cynical 2013 d-bag, then you'll find something to enjoy.

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LOL - yea sorry for the retro thing. i meant more outdated, or "style of the past" as you preferred to call it. i like realistic and authentic movies. may it be 2013 or 1940. you obviously didn't even try to understand me. whatever.

oh, and when did i ever want to "fuel any fire" FFS?
in fact, i DID want to discuss some of these few aspects, jeez.
i tried to point it out but maybe it was too abstract for you.

i still thought this movie deserve a 7.5! relax.. wow.

do you people even READ what's written or just searching for any negative word and calling a D-bag to any candidate?

every message board here is crawling with 99% blind fanboys. pathetic.
sorry i even bothered.





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sorry i even bothered.


That's exactly how any fan of this film must think of your slams against this perfect movie.

I like Bernard Herrmann, but the score is~yes~perfect!

Maybe it's your age, calling this "retro"! I'm surprised you didn't use "cheesy", or did I miss that?

i like realistic and authentic movies.


In terminology you might understand:
Hello! You are the one making comparisons with SAM RAIMI (caps yours). Duh!

How is that "realistic" or "authentic"?! "The Haunting" is much more planted in realism and follows reports in the field of parapsychology, staying with sounds/noises and scents. That's worth a second "Duh!".

No, you shouldn't have bothered. It's nice to see you admitting that. (Yes, I'm being a grouchy old lady as I watch the film for the 100th-and-something time.)

*** The trouble with reality is there is no background music. ***

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Don't let the bastards grind you down. I agree with you 100% about the soundtrack. It is really over the top and bombastic and manages to occasionally sully the otherwise subtle creepy atmosphere of the movie. It definitely makes it feel more outdated than it would otherwise be. By no means a bad movie, it deserves all the praise it gets, but this righteous indignation flying around here is just ridiculous.

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Sorry, but if you measure a 1963 film against 2013 films, you're going to be disappointed.
Yeah, usually in the 2013 film.

At least, if it's a 2013 thriller.

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Amen.

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Every time I watch the scene where Annie's father tries to push his way back into reality in "Evil Dead II," I'm reminded of the sound effects from when Eleanor is being surrounded by the noises late in "The Haunting." I'm quite sure that if someone lined both audio tracks up, they'd be the exact same sound effects right down to a "T."

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The soundtrack is very much a product of its period and it is unfair to criticize it for qualities that make it seem dated.

In fact, in several instances, the soundtrack is very imaginative. For instance, in one of the opening scenes, in Eleanor's apartment, where she is arguing with her sister and, I'm assuming, her brother in law, goofy, almost cartoony music is heard. This music is interesting because it really does somewhat reflect Eleanor's immaturity, yet is very much unlike what one would expect to hear in the soundtrack to a haunted house movie. It is only after Eleanor gives her three guests the gate that we discover the music is actually playing in the room (aka, diegetic music) because Eleanor, annoyed, roughly shuts it off from, I assume, a phonograph player.

There are many other instances in this movie where the music does subtle things to help enhance characterizations.

This is, in fact, a very sophisticated soundtrack for its time and deserving of praise, not derision.

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The camera work reminded me of Evil Dead II, a couple of times. I found this film rather boring to be honest. Very little happens and the ending was lame. Psycho and Night of the Living Dead are the only B&W horror films that are still good today, that I can think of. I've just watched The Innocents (1963), and while it's not great, it's better than The Haunting.

- He's convinced me. Give me my dollar back.

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Dear r freeman:

I totally respect your opinion.

I never understood all of the fuss over "Psycho". It is simply a story about an overly neurotic guy and the corpse of his mother.

Big deal. It probably made a lot of Psycho-Therapists happy.

Also, The music of Bernard Herrmann, is fantastic; but was he available? Cost?

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I never understood all of the fuss over "Psycho". It is simply a story about an overly neurotic guy and the corpse of his mother.


I've never understood it either. With the exception of the shower scene, which was frightening (largely owing to the score), it has nothing that holds my attention. On top of it, it falls apart at the end.

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Why is this a message board post & not a user review? If these are your thoughts and there's no discussion about it, it seems like you're just walking onto the board & fueling fire with the fans of the film that are actually discussing. This isn't a discussion topic at all.

Have some cheese with that whine. In places that aren't China or North Korea, people have the RIGHT to NOT like something, & we don't need YOUR permission to not like something either. & yes, that INCLUDES IMDB.
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It also allows for the excoriation that accompanies a truly unpopular opinion (right or wrong.) And, trust me, no one here has even started to get nasty at that level.

No fate but what we make. -Terminator II

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Do you not have your IMDb board preferences set to "nested"? If not, I highly recommend it. It makes following a thread and responses to posts much easier to read, and will make more sense to you.

I got an alert that someone had responded to one of my posts, only to discover your response had nothing to do with my post.

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Despite IMDB's insistence that nested makes more sense than flat, it doesn't. Nested get's every post out of (chronological) order, for very little benefit, whereas flat keeps the posts in chronological order. Using nested feels like having a "conversation" with a bunch of time travelers. If it's any consolation, I try (nowadays) to minimize any confusion if my post is replying to something that was said earlier by quoting what was said, or at least who I'm replying to, or both, but it's made needlessly difficult because I use a cellphone for the internet (cellphones' & tablets' on-screen keyboards are such screwups that they're evil).
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I tough exactly the same about the camera reference (Sam Raimi)!!

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