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Godfather to The Godfather


I'm not sure this topic hasn't been brought up before, but...

No masterpiece comes out of nowhere, and The Godfather is no exception. I'm certain that Coppola was very familiar with Il Gattopardo, because elements of it -- visual and philosophical -- reappear in the 1971 film. I'm thinking specifically of how Visconti finds the visual drama in men's lengthy, conspiratorial conversations in a closed study; of the revolving pan shots of palace exteriors; of the way festive celebrations can be compartmentalized and serve as entire stories within themselves; the image of an aging Hollywood icon giving his last waltz with the young bride before onlookers. Throw in Nino Rota's score, and the fact that the story itself is about adapting to massive social change and the way it will impact the family, and you have a strong resource for Coppola a decade later.


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you're qute right. I've been thinking of this for abut a week, i especially agree for THE GODFATHER PART II, where it is also about an ending dynasty

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its has been said as such on the dvd commentary that this film is the basis of inspiration for such films as the "Godfather" and "the Age of innocence" especially

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When I first read that Lancaster had been considered for the role of Don Corleone, I couldn't see it. But after seeing him in this, I think he would have done a good job. Even though The Prince was not a mafioso, there were things the two characters had in common- that graceful, quiet patriachal quality.

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Yes, I agree with you. I was wondering about the same some time ago after seeing "The Godfather", "The Leopard" being one of my favorites. There are similarities in the cinematography and in some of the situations but the whole point according to me is that the staple theme in Visconti's movies is family and the destruction of family (and, also, characters who end up being alone). Just every film by Visconti shows an aspect of it. That's what makes a seemingly odd movie for Visconti like "The Damned" not odd at all among his other titles (by the way... aren't some similarities, even shallow ones, between "The Damned" and "The Godfather" too?) Well, "The Godfather" and "The Godfather. Part II" are movies about family, its destruction, and being alone.

And, I think that working on a Sicilian theme couldn't make Coppola not to think to "The Leopard", in one way or another. While viewing "The Godfather" and thinking about the historical settings of the two movies, based on the same Sicilian background, I was intrigued by recalling Prince Salina when, speaking to Tancredi about the rebels, says "They're mafiosi!". How much time will pass before that the real men of power would be the mafiosi instead of the aristocrats? It could seem like that once that Prince Salina's era of the aristocracy has come to an end, the only way to be some sort of a prince again is to be a mafioso boss. Quite interesting and worrying, and probably in this sense the two movies are very close to each other, as if Prince Salina's wasn't wrong at all in predicting history.

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It's fairly obvious that Il Gattopardo influenced The Godfather films. If not necessarily in story then definitely in technique with the fixation of fading opulence and being unable to see exactly how one is being used in the new game.

You could say that the Godfather films are about the Tancredis of the New World. The realists who strove to make a life for themselves in the New World.

But then the two films are entirely different in the fact that the Salina family are aristrocracts who are about to be replaced by ''jackals'' while the Corleone family are working class immigrants trying to survive and help their fledgling Italian-American community in New York City. The pseudo-aristocractic trappings which Coppola placed on the first two films are more emblematic. Nothing of that sort happened in real life.



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> Yes, I agree with you. I was wondering about the same some time ago after seeing "The Godfather", "The Leopard" being one of my favorites.

Maybe you guys would be interested to know that the two films were originally proposed to the same actor, and that actor somehow declined both (I think it was a health problem or something)--Laurence Olivier.

Which turned out to be great for both Mr. Lancaster and Mr. Brando for sure. Especially for Lancaster as this is definitely the best role he had ever played.

> How much time will pass before that the real men of power would be the mafiosi instead of the aristocrats?

Just a few decades, or less. The reunification was a huge failure for Sicily, and ended up demoralizing the whole society, as it ended up making the huge economic gap between the north and the south, the north exploiting the south--as Visconti was very very aware of and conscious in making this film, or La Terra trema and Rocco and his Brothers.

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One reason might be that Nino Rota who scored the Godfather movies also scored The Leopard and certainly the cinematography and sets were a great influence on Coppola as well as other directors of his generation. The scores are different but it's in that same style.

In Italy, the film is considered the greatest film of their National Cinema so certainly Coppola and Scorsese as two Italian-Americans would definitely be interested in it.




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I didn't mean so much any similarity between the scores, so much as the fact that Rota was the composer of both.




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Within the first few minutes of The Leopard, I was thinking about The Godfather.

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