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Interesting info on the film, plus my evaluation


Shot in B&W, this was also known as “The Haunted and the Hunted." It was the (true) theatrical debut for writer/director Francis Ford Coppola after producer Roger Corman offered him to do a low-budget imitation of “Psycho” (1960) in Ireland with funds left over from his movie “The Young Racers,” on which Coppola worked as a sound technician. Actually, this wasn’t technically Coppola’s first film as he did eleven days shooting of Corman’s superior “The Terror” in Big Sur, California.

The story and setting are very different from “Psycho” and its sister English film “Horror Hotel” (aka “The City of the Dead”), which was produced/released at the same time as “Psycho,” although it wasn’t released in America until two years later. Nevertheless, “Dementia 13” is cut from the same B&W horror cloth and shares an infamous plot twist that originated with those two films. Like “Psycho,” there’s a psycho madmen, although he prefers an axe to a butcher knife.

Unfortunately, “Dementia 13” isn’t great like “Psycho” or formidable like “Horror Hotel,” mainly because the story is sorta befuddling, although everything’s explained at the end. There’s a good gothic ambiance, but the bewildering storytelling prevents the flick from taking off. For instance, it's never clearly established that the lake where John's body is dumped in the opening is distinct from the pond where Kathleen drowned seven years earlier. Meanwhile Luana Anders as the initial protagonist, while okay, is second rate compared to the breathtaking Venetia Stevenson in “Horror Hotel” and Janet Leigh in “Psycho.”

Corman wasn’t happy with what Coppola brought home to California. He (rightly) insisted that certain scenes needed simplified (which explains the dubiously dubbed scenes) and that more violence was necessary, to which Jack Hill was hired to shoot the additional poacher scenes. A useless prologue was also tacked on to beef-up the runtime, which wasn’t featured on the version I watched. If you’re familiar with Coppola’s later work, like “Youth Without Youth” (2007) and “Twixt” (2011), you know that he has the tendency to overcomplicate scripts. That’s the problem with “Dementia 13.” Still, it definitely upped the slasher ante and influenced that particular horror genre.

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I think that the boat scene is a different location to the pond at Castle Haloran. Louise gets into a car after dumping John's body.

I lose interest in the film after Louise departs the film. The same way that I lose interest in 'Psycho' after Janet Leigh's contribution ends.

I reckon that Luana Anders is good as Louise. I think her narration of her thoughts as she plans is good. I suppose it was a blonde wig that she wears in this. I seem to remember she is dark-haired in 'Pit and the Pendulum.' But I can't be sure of that.

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I think that the boat scene is a different location to the pond at Castle Haloran. Louise gets into a car after dumping John's body.


I was finally able to deduce that the two bodies of water were not one-and-the-same, it's just that the movie doesn't clearly distinguish them. So when the pond is eventually drained you're expected them to find John's remains somewhere in the vicinity (washed down a creek if not at the bottom of the pond). Your point about Louise getting into a car pretty much establishes that it's a body of water within driving distance of the chateau whereas the pond is right behind the manor.

Another thing that distinguishes the two bodies of water is that draining a pond is doable while draining a lake would be a monumental and expensive undertaking, probably requiring engineers.

Luana Anders was fine as Louise, she just wasn't as breathtaking as Venetia Stevenson in “Horror Hotel” and Janet Leigh in “Psycho.” She lacked their curves, but she was a'right. Coppola certainly tried to capture her beauty in the pond sequence.

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The script does leave a lot of detail out. In the boat Louise mentions 'this mysterious Kathleen.' Yet when she is typing the letter, she knows all about the ceremony. Then later she needs John's brother to tell her that Kathleen was their sister. Also what the castle's caretaker tells Louise about the wedding is not fleshed out. It seems to imply that Kathleen was playing in a pretend wedding dress before she drowned. So all the time I have a story in my head that goes beyond the limited script when I watch this film.

I agree that Luana Anders hadn't got leading lady glamour. But I reckon she was ideal for low budget horror like this.

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I guess we should have mercy with the flick since it was Coppola's first full theatrical movie as writer/director, although he directed eleven days of "The Terror" in Big Sur earlier the same year, a superior low-budget horror (nice and gothic). Not to mention he only had $40,000 to accomplish "Dementia 13," flying off to Ireland at only 23. This explains the sloppy mistakes you point out.

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I think that Coppola showed his promise when he made 'Dementia 13.' Despite everything I've said, it shows style that fascinates me which some big productions don't do.

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