Survival


and in the end... the Love you take...
Oops.sorry, but it fits, As a serial on it's own, not very good, but taken in context w/ the entire 26th season, subtitles the maturing of a Companion, it works quite well.
Ace learns not to always fight, sometimes brain over brawn, and traveling with the Doctor you Must come to grips with this.
The Cat creatures, were funny, and semi cute, being a "cat person"
The Master was rather misused here, I thought, in actuality he was as captured as was the Doctor and Ace n friends.
Still... Her mother has gone to the police, and has her listed as "missing" sp presumably they are still looking for her, unless they consider her dead.
You wouldn't think the Doctor would say, Listen Ace, we have traveled together for a time, and you have matured some, don't you think it's time to see Mum n Dad?
THEN, on one of the "extra's one of the writers says plans were being thought about, taking Ace to Gallifrey and having her "learn to be a Time lord"????? WTF??? Sorry! That would have burnt all bridges for me
Am real sorry to have come to the end, but overall, i appreciate all the different people involved from day 1, to the end. Now back to New Doctor, A Different Doctor(s)but the same set of values, I think, a new world(s) and much newer better technology

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Congratulations on reaching the end of Doctor Who (1963).

I think you should give Babylon 5 (1994) another try. Seasons 3 and 4 of that series are some of the best science fiction to ever appear on television.

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No, I tried B 5, I just didn't like enough of any of the charachters to be interested in the story lines.
I will probably go back n watch the New Who again to catch up when the new season starts, plus after watching all of classic, many of the analogies that I missed the first time around will make more sense

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No, I tried B 5, I just didn't like enough of any of the characters to be interested in the story lines. - raventhom


OK. Fair enough.

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Babylon 5 doesn't pick up until after the first season. The whole show slowly builds up energy as it goes on. That is part of the appeal of the later years, all that world/character building coming to a head. I can understand not being able to get into it for that reason.

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I love the effects in Survival, i'm not talking about the cat people or the animatronic cat but the backgrounds. They are amazing, there are volcanos going off, moons / planets in the pink sky and reflections of the suns in the water.

It's on par with any planet backgrounds Star Trek did at the time, very up to date.

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In the Extra's they show the difference between the sky as actually filmed, then the way they show it in the episode, yes, it's marvelous

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Will you do/have you seen the TV movie? Because if you haven't you definitely should!

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If you mean the 1996 one, Yes, I need to re watch it because It was over a year ago, and it's a bit fuzzy, I also tried to watch one of the Peter Cushing ones, and couldn't get through it. Seemed like an American company trying to copy the Doctor and not having permission? to do it correctly? No idea, but it's BAD

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Seemed like an American company trying to copy the Doctor and not having permission? to do it correctly?


What an utterly bizarre idea.

Imagine being given permission to call the lead character Doctor Who and give him a granddaughter Suzy, have other characters called Ian and Barbara, have a TARDIS which is a bigger-inside police box that travels in time and space, to have Daleks and a plot essentially the same as Serial B...

...but not the permission to do it "correctly"?

Surely it would make more sense to think of the movies as standalone reinterpretations that enable audiences to see those two stories on the big screen in colour? Would you expect them to be frame-by-frame copies of the TV versions?

So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.

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no, but to be an earth person that happened to invent the tardis... if you enjoyed it, sorry if i offended you, to me, it was a very bad interpretation, but like all, opinions....

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sorry if i offended you

Why on Earth would I be offended? I simply thought your reasoning was bizarre, for the reasons given. I'm fond of the movie, but I don't care if other people love it or hate it - I'm only interested in whether they have something insightful to say about it (or any other Doctor Who work) that enhances my enjoyment of it - something you've done with a fair few of your recent reviews.

no, but to be an earth person that happened to invent the tardis...

Keep in mind that the Doctor and Susan's nature was mentioned two or three times at most, in throwaway lines. Many subsequent serials give a pretty strong impression that the Doctor is from England; IIRC the Doctor explicitly states he's human in The Savages.

More to the point, audiences went to the cinema in the expectation of an adventure involving the Daleks. The sensible thing to do was introduce the main characters, then get them to Skaro as quickly as possible.

The worst thing you can possibly do with a standalone film intended for newcomers as well as fans is to take the TVM approach - front-load the story with wodgy exposition (most of which is irrelevant), and make the story rely on past continuity (which it contradicts anyway) and begin inside the TARDIS. For all his faults, RTD understood this when he did Rose.

So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.

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The Master was rather misused here, I thought, in actuality he was as captured as was the Doctor and Ace n friends.


but then I think that that was rather the point, that the Master was using the cheetah people, but mostly he was using them to try and find a way to escape... it's also very like the Master to get himself in a situation where he's walking a fine line between collaborating with other beings and being their prisoner

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Well, I also think it was the only way they could think of getting him into the last serial (of the season) Not his finest day

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I don't know, the final battle always gives me goosebumps "if we fight like animals, we'll DIE LIKE ANIMAAAAAALS"

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I did enjoy the ending 7 got in the beginning of 8, and speaking of 8, it ended perfectly, reading the book 7 was in the beginning

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Congratulations on reaching the end! So many people write off the classic series because it doesn't have today's flashy visuals or choppy editing, but watching older programs can sometimes be more rewarding than the new stuff. Were you planning on watching another older show after this?

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I was looking at my substantial (ie all pre-1997) DW DVDs the other day, thinking it'll soon be time to revisit, when I thought "what other boxes would I revisit?"

only a few

The Middleman
Lost Room
Fringe
Blake's 7
Planet of the Apes (5 movies)
Carnavale
Gerry Anderson's UFO
Earth2



Balotelli...Aguerooooo! I swear you will never see anything like this ever again!

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I've just finished a complete re-watch of UFO. Such a shame it ended after just one season.

Before that, I watched SPACE: 1999. I particularly enjoyed the final mini-episode, MESSAGE FROM MOONBASE ALPHA. I thought it was rather clever the way they managed to tie it to the end of BREAKAWAY. I found it very satisfying.

Of the list you've proved, I'd go with BLAKE'S 7 first and then follow it up with the five film PLANET OF THE APES series and then the TV series if you have it. The TV series isn't as good as the film series, but it still fits into the overall universe... sort of.

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I have only seen five of them, but based off of what I know of the others, and the ones I have seen, I would say Blake's 7 first. I can't decide between Earth2 and The Planet of the Apes movies/series after that.

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I need to rewatch Carnivale at some point (just rewatched B7 in the last couple of years) I used to rewatch stuff all the time but... I don't know if there is just better tv to be had or I'm too busy or what but I don't seem to rewatch much these days

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I think there are just too many options now. What with the television and film back catalogs and all the different channels/viewing platforms. Going back to rewatch things gets puts off because of that. I want to get back to watching Slayers 1995 again, but I have to get through other shows first.

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I think too with the improving quality of tv shows, like it used to be that film actors would look down on television, and going back to rewatch some 90s tv some of the acting is atrocious. nowadays film actors seem to flock to television, I guess better scripts, the chance to really explore and develop characters and stories.

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I see some fairly atrocious acting from today's shows too. Given the increased amount of retakes, more preparation time, and shorter time spent doing the individual takes, bad acting today is even more inexcusable. I think you can find bad acting in any era. Some styles of acting are more popular in eras, but you have good actors appear in all of them. One of my Mom's personal pleasures is Perry Mason(1957-1966). In it, they have many good actors, and this was well before the 1990's. A period when actors truly did look down on television. The theatre and movies were the good acting jobs back then.

Even the scripts from earlier eras seem better than some today. So many now rely on flash, and superficial characterization played out over long story arcs. Not something that impresses me as being better written. I remember Battlestar Galactica(2004-2009), where the characterization was played out over long arcs, but was inconsistent, poorly thought out over, and reactionary to the point of completely reversing character growth at the drop of a hat because "reasons." For some reason people call that better writing. I call that writing from a bar plastered off your gourd, which is exactly how they wrote it by their own admission.

I'll give you that most of the comedies from back in the day were light hearted to the point of most of the focus being on comedy, and not story(similar things can be said about other types of non dramas.) But the older dramas seem to have more subtle and thought out characterization than the stuff of today, albeit over only one or two episodes for guest characters.

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I actually like a lot of modern tv shows, though I would say (going off your comment about reversing character growth) at the risk of sounding like a grumpy old man, a lot of showrunners, rather than following their own creative vision, listen to feedback on the internet.
To be fair, it's not always a bad thing. Like Who fans complaining about young romantic Doctors which gave us Capaldi, fans complaining about single episodes not being enough, we get almost an entire season of 2-parters.

Then you get LOST, I actually enjoyed that show, it kind of stumbled at the finish line and then one of the showrunners blamed the fans, saying that they wanted too much control over the show and the producers tried to keep everyone happy... why did you? if you were doing your job right, enough people would keep watching.

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A lot of actors back then mostly came from theatre so they were properly trained. Even the weakest actors back in the 70s or 80s brought a charisma missing from today's acting generation to the point you wouldn't notice that actor wasn't very good. Most of today's actors aren't classically trained so are basically training on the job which isn't good. For all the retrospective talk about how theatre acting feels staged by today's standards it had better advantages in the long run in that at least stage actors honed their craft.

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I saw some of Lost, it seemed to have similar issues of events and character changes happening at the whim of the writers, and not because of narrative reasoning. You can make big changes to either characters or dynamic in a show, but you need to provide the narrative justification for it. Rather than what Battlestar Galactica did in having these things happen at the drop of a hat, without any (internal to the show) logic. I see some of this kind of bad writing in older shows, but it seems to be more common and acceptable now, along with being in vogue to have twists come out of nowhere that make no sense. They should make sense! If they don't, you are doing lazy writing. Agatha Christie is a good example of a smart writer making twists happen to preconceived characters and dynamics. She always said, that the characters would tell her, "no, I wouldn't do that," or, "that wouldn't make sense." She had to invent plot devices for her characters and setting to fit into the narrative she wanted. The characters were still in character, and dynamics and settings smoothly changed to the new formula because it made sense in their world. The end result was that she got the story line she originally wanted, and the fictional world still made sense! Good writers find ways to encourage the unnatural situation, not force it on the characters with a sledgehammer.

In Battlestar Galactica's case, they didn't listen to fans on the internet, all those bad decisions were made drunk in bars. You can see the show writers owning up to this in many interviews. They admitted that in retrospect, the show would have been better if they had been sober while writing it.  I can only excuse following internet fans for so much bad writing. Bad ideas being thrust upon you(or from the internet as you said), true, if it was a dumb idea, then it shows in how little narrative thrust you can get out of it. However, Bad execution of ideas, now that is just poor writing.

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Not sure about the BSG remake but it's common knowledge the writers of Lost made it up as they went along, as did the writers of 24. It's a terrible modern style of writing designed to keep people glued so the ratings stay big, that's all. With so many channels writers are resorting to completely serialized TV in order to keep ratings. It's all very cynical.

The remake of BSG isn't even original regardless of all the praise it gets. The writing, the style, the tone is all ripped straight off Space: Above and Beyond. For all it's flaws at least that show's analogy to World War II allowed interesting storytelling as it was about a horrific but amazing era of history while BSG draws from 9/11, an era of history which have no amazing stories but is only horrific.

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Actually with LOST, the writers did have a bunch of stuff planned and Damon Lindelof said he was running himself ragged to keep the plates spinning as it were but then Carlton Cuse came on as co-showrunner and basically said "ah f*#k it, don't worry about the big picture, we'll work it out" ...or so the story goes from Damon

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I think it's safe to say they all messed up. 

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