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If Shirley Jones had turned down the role of Marian -


....who else in Hollywood at that time could have played it - *and* accepted second billing to Bob Preston?

Doris Day immediately comes to mind, but I don't know if she would have taken second billing. Debbie Reynolds? Mitzi Gaynor? Florence Henderson?

Miss Jones was ***perfect***. I just thought it would be fascinating what Warner would have done if she wasn't available. Thoughts?

"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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I keep thinking Barbara Cook would have been great- ah,foolish me. Shirley Jones was perfect,too.

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Yep, perhaps they would have just knuckled and used Miss Cook. I'm sure she would have been great, but Shirley....just wonderful!

"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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Definitely Barbara Cook, who was the original Marian and a better singer than Shirley Jones.

I'd like to be a pessimist, but this is a luxury I cannot afford.—Joseph of Cordoba

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Shirley was perfect - I can't imagine anyone else in this role. =)

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In truth, neither can I. That why I was wondering who in Hollywood would have been suitable if she had said no to the role.

"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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Florence probably could have pulled it off, perhaps not with the same understated sexual fire though (remember, Shirley played the prostitute in Elmer Gantry and blew them away with her performance, so she could play more than Goody Two Shoes roles). Shirley wanted the part really badly so there is no way she would have turned it down -- unless she was 6 months pregnant when they cast it. lol!

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Yes, I thought it was actually sweet that she was so anxious to play it. It goes to show that even professionals can pine after a certain role, just like we community theater folks do!

"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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Do some research- Warner's wanted Jones. She was being mentioned for an Oscar before Pre-production began and won Supporting Actress (Elmer Gantry) as they were filming. She had that 'movie star' look to go with acting chops and musical talent. AND she was VERY VERY pregnant when they concluded filming.

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Yep, I knew that Warners did want her, which was smart of them from every stand point, artistically and commercially.

"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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If they wanted Shirley Jones so badly why did they tamper with Marian’s song range and remove/ruin her best song?

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I think if they hadn't gotten Shirley Jones, Barbara Cook should have been asked to reprise her Broadway role. Doris Day is not a soprano, so the music would have had to have been significantly altered for her to play the role, and I think that would have disconcerted a lot of people familiar with the stage play. I don't think Reynolds or Gaynor are accomplished enough singers to handle the role of Marian Paroo. Florence Henderson was not a movie star at that time (and never really would be), so I highly doubt that would have even been a consideration. Jane Powell might have been a consideration, but she was pretty well gone from the Hollywood scene by the early 60s. I think the only real alternative to Shirley Jones would have been Barbara Cook.

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Yes, I agree!

And like Robert Preston, she would have won the role only AFTER a Hollywood name turned it down (or, in Preston’s case, he won it AFTER Warner said he wanted Sinatra and Meredith Willson said he’d pull the rights if anyone other than Preston played it!).

Also, Rex Harrison won the movie Henry Higgins *after* Cary Grant turned it down.



"Everytime I want to have a little fun-SHE turns out!" (Baron Bomburst)

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Jane Powell was up for the role along with Shirley Jones and Barbara Cook - who also did a screen test

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Wow, thank you!!
I had no idea that Barbara Cook actually screen tested!
Jane Powell would have done a good job as well.
However - I'm so glad we got Shirley!

Exactly why are people who need people the luckiest people in the world?

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Thank heavens Robert Preston got the role of Harold Hill, though - if he hadn't, that would have been a travesty!



The only reason he DID get the role is because of Meredith Willson basically saying, "no Preston, no movie," and Willson owned the rights, thank God. Warner was FORCED to use him. Willson was the KING of Iowa stubborness. He also had to force Warner to use Morton DaCosta, who directed the original Broadway show, to also direct the movie. Weird all around, after Preston had done "Dark At The Top Of The Stairs" for Warner, and DaCosta had directed the monumentally huge money-maker "Auntie Mame," also for Warner. Geesh.

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Cary was NEVER delusional about his talents, and knew he couldn't sing or dance. He was also English, and 31 years older than Shirley Jones, case closed. He also told Warner he would not even go see the film if Preston weren't in it. "The Dark At The Top Of The Stairs" was a wonderful movie, with the great Dorothy McGuire and Angela Lansbury playing opposite him. It's a shame Angela could not repeat her "Mame" role in the film, as she had tremendous sexual chemistry with Preston, and we would have been spared the horror of Lucille Ball in the title role. She was awful, especially opposite Preston, with whom she had NO chemistry with of any kind.

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Poor Pres looked like he was going to GAG playing opposite Lucy. A lot of her co-stars could not stand her. He was not gagging when he kissed Lansbury in "Dark." Or, Shirley in "The Music Man."

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I always loved Lucy for what she did, LUCY. But I could not stand her as "Mame," and her singing, if you want to call it that, was godawful. Preston looked at best, ill at ease, and she was considerably older than he was, and LOOKED it, despite the silk on the camera. Mame was supposed to be quite a bit younger than Beau.

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Shirley Jones was it. But as the OP asked, what if she did't want to do it? I'd go for Lee Remick, Debbie Reynolds, Polly Bergen, or give Julie Andrews her first movie role.

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When I see Lucy dancing or hear her singing I always feel that she really is the untalented wannabe star that she portrays as Lucy Ricardo. Now of course I love her and revere her as the great comedienne she was but the other chops she hasn't got.

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Absolutely adored Ball on "I Love Lucy", but yeah, "Mame" was pretty bad.
But with Lansbury? That could have actually compared to Russell's version.
Shame it didn't happen.

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It's the 2 pack a day for 50 years voice of LB that was such a turn off.

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Meredith Willson refused to sign the rights to the musical over to Warner's if Preston wasn't cast.

I'd like to be a pessimist, but this is a luxury I cannot afford.—Joseph of Cordoba

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Definitely Barbara Cook, who was the original Marian and a better singer than Shirley Jones.

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But the deal back then was...if you cast one lead from Broadway, you couldn't cast the other lead from broadway...a star had to be hired for the second role:

Damn Yankees:

Gwen Verdon(from Broadway) and Tab Hunter(movie star.)

The Pajama Game

John Raitt(from Broadway) and Doris Day (movie star.)

The Music Man

Robert Preston(from Broadway) and Shirley Jones(movie star, recently Oscared in 1961 for 1960's Elmer Gantry)

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I don't know, some of those notes are so high. Shirley is ten times better than Florence Henderson. Doris Day maybe. I think Debbie Reynolds was too busy being Tammy to be considered.

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Shirley was perfect-and I first saw her in this film-later, I developed a crush on her when she played ''Shirley Partridge''. One of the few women I have ever seen who looks great with short hair.

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Funny story but the first girl I ever dated-back in NYC- was Jack Cassidy's cousin so I knew of Shirley Jones a lot more than most. My then gf nevr said a bad word of Shirley.

If Shirley turned down Marian, how about WB star Connie Stevens

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Natale Wood

Audrey Hepburn

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Both Natalie Wood and Audrey Hepburn were altos. Natalie Wood was always dubbed in musicals, and while Audrey Hepburn sang in Funny Face and Breakfast at Tiffany's (and I thought her singing was vastly underrated), she wouldn't have been able to sustain the high notes required of the character.

Florence Henderson, however, I think I could have seen in the role. She sang like a bird in her prime and probably wouldn't have had any trouble accepting second billing.

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I saw Barbara Cook do the role on Broadway opposite Preston, and it took me years to accept Shirley Jones as her replacement in the movie. Jones was good, but I absolutely loved Cook in the role, and she was an even better singer than Jones.


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I saw Barbara Cook do the role on Broadway opposite Preston, and it took me years to accept Shirley Jones as her replacement in the movie. Jones was good, but I absolutely loved Cook in the role, and she was an even better singer than Jones.

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The rule (sometimes, of sorts) with a number of musicals back then was that if you used the original Broadway cast, only ONE of the two romantic leads could be from the stage version. The other lead had to go to a "bankable movie star."

Thus: The Pajama Game: John Raitt got to stay from Broadway; movie star Doris Day was cast opposite him.
Damn Yankees: Gwen Verdon got to stay from Broadway; movie star Tab Hunter was cast opposite her.

This one backfired:

My Fair Lady Rex Harrison got to stay from Broadway; movie star Audrey Hepburn was cast opposite him...in
lieu of Julie Andrews from the play, thought "not big enough" by Jack Warner. Plus, Rex Harrison was already a movie star, too.

So: The Music Man: Robert Preston got to stay from Broadway; movie star Shirley Jones was cast opposite him(fresh off of her Best Supporting Actress Oscar for Elmer Gantry.)

Funny thing: in the 50's, Shirley Jones was sweet and pure in the female singing leads of Oklahoma and Carousel. In Elmer Gantry, she played a very sexy hooker(she had a beautiful face and the ability to "sell"sultry with it.)

Thus, by the time that Shirley Jones took the "pure" role in The Music Man, she brought extra sex appeal to the part.
She was also pregnant with one of the Cassidy boys at the time, which added to her shapely figure.

Since Barbara Cook could not be given the role, I rather think Shirley Jones was the best bet. So beautiful, so sexy under the period garb, and with memories of Oklahoma and Carousel for her "musical bona fides."

I can't see Florence Henderson, she just didn't have the beauty or the womanly nature.




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