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It was tough even for the great kubrick!


the original novel was more of context in a sexually advanced european culture. The young teenage girl is uber sexually advanced compared to still evolving american society even in the early 70', where hippie culture had not yet taken off!
the film was also done in black and white with american actors and one brit of course.

so though literally it captured the essense of it but could not come up with un-inhibited sexualism ala 'clock work orange' due to the conservative nature of times and reservations for a sexually sensitive radical subject!

kubrick seem to have tried a bit of it in his last film but that also came out bit stiff without any proper conclusions!

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"....compared to still evolving american society even in the early 70', where hippie culture had not yet taken off!"


Just a correction (and it's a bit before my time): "Hippie culture" in America took place in the late 60's and ended in the early '70s.






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well, I mean I meant for a woman to be wild. haight-ashbury? my favorite street but too bad I did not dwell too much there because of cold and wind of sfo.

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the original novel was more of context in a sexually advanced european culture. The young teenage girl is uber sexually advanced compared to still evolving american society even in the early 70', where hippie culture had not yet taken off!


The novel wasn't in the context of a "sexually advanced European culture". That was simply how Humbert rationalised what he was doing. In Humber's eyes, hebephilia is "cultured" and "sophisticated". In the novel, Humbert believes his "exotic" sexuality to be evidence of his extremely refined taste, his palate superior to the average man’s. But he has a massive superiority complex and everything he says is some kind of lie or delusion.

Lolita is 12 in the novel. Nothing Humbert does would actually be deemed right in Europe.


so though literally it captured the essense of it but could not come up with un-inhibited sexualism ala 'clock work orange' due to the conservative nature of times and reservations for a sexually sensitive radical subject!


I think the "essense" of the film is different to the novel. In the novel, you don't get much hint of the "real Lolita". We're only granted the warped perspective of a pompous guy who likes to dominate and overpower. The book's about a hebephile who sees nothing wrong with his behaviour and who has no real sympathy for the victim of his crimes. At one point he rapes Lolita and rationalises it as her initiating sex.

In the film, however, Lolita's a fairly headstrong 14-17 year old, and all the characters are manipulative predators. Lolita's mother wants Humbert, Humbert wants Lolita, Quilty wants Lolita and Lolita wants Quilty. All are on equal footing, all simultaneously victim and victor.

And everyone's desires gets someone else punished: Quilty dies, the mother dies, Humbert dies and Lolita's jaded. More than this, everyone's object of desire turns out to be twisted: Humbert's ideal (the idealised as "innocent" Lolita) turns out to have agency, Lolita's ideal (Quilty) isn't a suave actor but a creep who makes porn movies, Lolita's mom's ideal (Humbert) is a creep, and Quilty's ideal (Lolita) is disappointingly a "prude" who refuses to sleep with him. "Didn't it ever occur to you that you were not the center of my world," Lolita tells Humbert at the end of the film. The line might as well apply to all the characters in the film. In the film, all the characters are self-centered little predators.

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let me get my head around it. I had read the novel as a teenager( 23 years ago). And found it sexually quite explicit! there was no where to capture it to that extent without bordering upon porn. So the movie looked conservative in that aspect.

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Thanks for the insight!

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I think he meant early 60s, not early 70s.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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the film was also done in black and white with american actors and one brit of course.

sanjay, did you mean American "characters" instead of "actors"? Two of the principal actors are Brits, Mason and Sellers. I guess Sellers' character is presumed to be American, though I can't remember if anything is stated.

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it was an american novel, If i recall but I got to check! But it was done by conservative folks of 60's and not the novel interpreted rogue culture where guys were doing many woman and woman wanted to be liberal and were getting promiscuous. so novel was quite brazen laid with graphics! the movie could no where close to it( it was black n white for pets sake). Hence i said it was tough for even kubrick to get to the bottom of it. He could only capture it by context and not by content-like clock work orange! the industry and general public were not ready for it!

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