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Does anyone else think that the musical was dissapointing?


When i heard that monty python's spamalot had won best musical, it sounded sorta like it was just a cheap give away award, especially after hearing great things about the Light in the Piazza. Then when i was in NYC near the end of summer, i got a chance to see both. Spamalot turned out to f-ing hilarious! The songs were funny, and some despite their silliness, were actually nice melodies.
Then i saw the Light in the Piazza, and i wondered WHY it won 6 tony awards. Yes, the costuming and staging were nice, but everything else seemed really...blah. You know how in some musicals there are those one or two songs that are rather plain and forgettable, but sometimes "neccessary"? That's what every song in "Piazza" felt like. It seemed like everytime a song started to get on the right track to becoming really great, it wimped out on you.

Also, just at random (maybe it makes sense if you've seen the movie...?) Clara (played annoyingly and unconvincingly by Kelly O'Hara) starts singing about the light in the piazza....what on earth is the light in the piazza? Okay sure, maybe there was a rather attractive street lamppost thing in that scene in act one..who cares! It's not like that had any importance. I thought the light in piazza, whatever it was, would have a meaningfull presence, and perhaps serve as say a place where Fabrizio and Clara could meet each night as their romance grew...
Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to listen to "Find Your Grail" on the Spamalot soundtrack...

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The title song of "The Light in the Piazza" is about Clara showing her mother that she sees more than Margaret thinks she does.

I think that the Light in the Piazza has more power and soul than any musical out on Broadway right now. Spamalot gets the laugh, but I don't consider Spamalot to be musically strong. The Producers and Avenue Q have proved wonderfully that you can be a comedy and still have GREAT music.

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I thought the musical was a bit disappointing too. I was expecting a lot more, but "blah" seems to describe the play pretty well. The songs were not brilliant, nor was the performance. The plot isn't strong, so it needs a lot more help than its got to make it come alive.

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you're missing the point if you think the show was "blah." It's rather complex - much more complex than the average theatre-goer wants to see, unfortunately. SPAMALOT is hilarious, certainly, but it doesn't in any way deal with real people or actual human feelings or relationships. It's a fun, light-hearted comedy. The Light in the Piazza has many nuances both of music and story-telling which will probably be lost on people who prefer to be entertained rather than to be moved AND entertained.

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This is not a score that is going to please people who want conventional show tunes or big, swooping Andrew Lloyd Webber contrivances. Adam Guettel is an adventurous composer whose music is both sweet and dissonant, a combination that I find dramatic and piquant. This is one of the most beautifully designed and staged shows I have ever seen, and Victoria Clark's performance one of the most moving and expertly performed.

The majority of shows on Broadway try to be mere crowd-pleasers, and I am thrilled that there is finally something thoughtful and mature playing to mostly appreciative crowds. For people who don't appreciate this kind of show, there's more than likely something you would prefer just around the corner.

I have made enough faces.

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I saw the musical in August and thought it to be brilliant. Everything about the show was beautiful. Victoria Clark [Margaret] delivered the best performance I've seen a long, long time. I have been going to the threatre for over 45 years so I had many a show to compare. Kelli O'Hara sang "The light in the Piazza" as a metaphor for love. The show is above love...all kinds of love: motherly love, lost love, new love...Guettel's music is shimmery and beautiful. I have been listening to the recording everyday since May. At last we have a worthy successor to Stephen Sondheim....

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I am SHOCKED by this. This is the first bad review of Light In the Piazza I've heard. 1) Its obvious why it won so many Tony's and why its getting such rave reviews from everyone. The music is absolutley gorgeous and there is a reason behind the title. It's called SYMBOLISM and if you had taken time out of listening to Spamalot or whatever it is you would know what the symbolism is and how much it affects the plot of the show. It also makes the show so much more meaningful and beautiful. 2) Victoria Clark and KELLI O'Hara are amazing actresses and singers. Being a singer myself, I was blown away by their voices, especially Kelli's. 3) if you made Clara and Fabrizio meet at night, it would be way too similar to West Side Story and Romeo & Juliet which the show is not. It has nothing in common with the other two, except that its a musical and its plot is one of romance.

I know for a fact, based on your review, you didn't understand this. Clara is the light in the piazza. if you listen to the soundtrack Fabrizio, in il mondo era vuoto, sings about "Clara la luce nella piazza" which literally translates into "clara the light in the piazza". he then says "clara, mio luce, mio cor" which means clara, my light, my heart". i'm not going to go into the whole symbolism of the show because i'd be here all night. but I think your review of the show is biased and not at all accurate. I know your entitled to your opinion but when you put your opinion out there your putting yourself up for criticism so here it is. I STRONGLY disagree with you. I have yet to see Spamalot but I have a feeling it is nothing compared to Light in the Piazza. The show made me laugh, cry, smile, think and imagine. If you would open your mind a little bit maybe you would see just how fantastic the show really is.

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okay okay..yes after thinking about it the sybolism DOES MAKE SENSE! Stop pointing this out okay, I'm sorry! Maybe i should've been a little bit more fair in my first post. I already said the staging and costumes were great, and the melodies in the muscial interludes were beautiful...but why wasn't some of that being matched with some lyrics? So many songs (excpet the light in the piazza, i admit i did like that one) kept building and they just never took off. Even after realizing the symbolism, which does make perfect sense (I'm not THAT shallow..just a bit) Kelli O'Hara just didn't convince me enough. The story needed more work. Yes, i did figure out what was wrong with her looooooong before her mother (She was VERY good. Happy now. I said it.) reveals it. But it just seemed a bit odd that she (Clara) is behind in mental and emotional development yet she starts stripping Fabrizio (he was also good at the whole cluelessly in love Italian guy thing.) Seems rather emotionally mature to me. Sure, she does start to show that she can understand more than it seems, but it took so long to reveal to the audience what her 'problem' was, that the whole semi-love scene seemed REALLY REALLY rushed. The final word for now: The mother:Good, Fabrizio: Good, Clara: sorta good, voice was nice, just wasn't pretty enough..seriously though, staging:great, costumes: great, melodies (not actual songs or lyics:very nice and at parts lush) story: needs work, lots and lots of it. Also, Spamalot had laughs every 30 seconds it seemed. And though the lyrics are silly (duh) some of the melodies are surprisingly nice...i was surprised. Oh, and Sara Ramirez blows Kelli O'Hara away any day. She's funny, has some great song, and has one of those great BIG bold voices. So glad she got a Featured actress Tony instead of Kelli. See, the difference between Sara and Kelli, is that it would be much harder to replace Sara.

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OK. depending on when you saw it, they changed it so maybe now you'll think its funnier since clearly instead of music you look at how comedic a MUSICAL can be. i'm not gonna go through your whole review and critique every little thing because that would be stupid but i will say this. kelli o'hara has one of the BEST voices i have ever heard. not every broadway actress has to have a big bold voice. and in this case it doesn't fit the show at ALL to have a belter like bernadette peters or kristin chenoweth as clara. in my last response i said that your review was biased but that wasn't the right word. in this case your response is totally biased. not all broadway actresses have to have big belty voices because in some cases, like this, it doesn't fit the show. for this show, kelli has the perfect voice. putting someone like kristin chenoweth in this role would not work at all because she wouldn't fit the nature of the show. i'm sure sara ramirez is great for Spamalot. but kelli is perfect for light in the piazza. you can't compare the 2 shows because there so radically different, which is why the fact that you are gets me so upset i guess. i'm sure spamalot is a great show but it's NOTHING like litp so its not fair that you keep comparing them.

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I don't just care about comedy....i think Phantom of the Opera, Evita, Flower Drum Song, and many other non comedic shows are great! I guess it is a little weird to compare both shows.

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Okay, I know there's no use in debating taste (you like what you like, I like what I like, and we're not going to change each other's minds), but if you like the music in PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, EVITA, FLOWER DRUM SONG and SPAMALOT, you're probably not going to like a show like THE LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA. It's just as simple as that.

The shows you seem to like (along with all of Rodgers & Hammerstein, Andrew Lloyd Webber, MISS SAIGON, LES MISERABLES, RENT -- in fact, most musicals on Broadway) are all flat, populist excuses to feed their audiences trite messages delivered in calculated ways. This is reflected both in terms of their lavish, colorful productions and in their music, with pat 32-bar constructions, predictable voice leadings and easy cadences.

Again, liking those things doesn't mean anything other than you like big, brassy, Broadway shows with leggy girls who can belt, even if they're dressed as paupers and should probably be dying of tuberculosis. It doesn't make you "dumb" or "common" -- in fact, I even enjoy an occassional performance of WICKED, myself. :)

But it does mean you're much less likely to enjoy something like PIAZZA, where the emphasis isn't the plot or spectacle or catchy hooks, but the characters, and where the music and staging are designed as carefully and exquisitely as any fine art to get you to explore the subtext.

You mentioned that the music didn't really "deliver" for you -- that it "wimped out" before it reached its greatness. This, right here, is probably the crux of why you didn't like the show, whether you realize it or not.

Don't you see that that was intentional? Most musicals treat the music as answers to questions (the numbers in most musicals almost ALWAYS answer these questions: Where am I? Who am I? What do I want (and how will I get it)? How do I feel?), but in PIAZZA, the music isn't an answer, it's a question in and of itself, designed to engage the audience almost as a mystery novel might -- by dropping little hints for the observant and letting the audience use their own intuition and empathy to fill in the rest of the details.

Comparing a shows like PIAZZA to SPAMALOT is perhaps as useful as comparing movies like AMERICAN BEAUTY to THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Sure, it's possible to like both, but, broadly, they are very obviously not meant to appeal to the same audience. It's unfortunate that in the theatre world (most notoriously on Broadway), the HULKs far out-number the BEAUTYs, and that's the reason no one takes musical theatre for a serious artform anymore (think about it: if your only experience of the cinema were late-night reruns of Jim Carrey movies, would you ever really know that film could be used to tell stories like TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD or THE PIANIST?).

You DO have a great point, however, about the lyrics. I've never really been a fan of Adam Guettel's lyrics. They strike me as "honorable mention in a high school poetry contest" calibre; a bit too operatic, all purple prose and flowery ahh-ing, which lends the whole evening the slightest twinge of stuffy melodrama. Even his music veers into the too conceptual. Fortunately, PIAZZA doesn't suffer from the same gimmick as the rest of his work (indecipherable staccato pianoforte accompaniment), but that's mostly due to the very lush, if occassionally too busy, orchestrations.

Give the show another try. Don't expect to be knocked on your ass with entertainment, and know that you get out of it what you're willing to put into it. In short, be active in considering the message, don't let it wash passively over you. You might like what you find! :)

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I don't know whether you'll see this reply, as your response is from a while ago, but frankly my biggest problems with the play fall under the line of character. I was underimpressed by the performance of Katie Clarke as Clara, in that while she had a lovely voice her acting of the character seemed a bit nebulous and undefined. Her Clara seemed to have no inner life, and while the character is supposed to be mentally challenged, that shouldn't lead to a flat portrayal.

As far as actual characters go (and not just the actor portraying them) I was disappointed by the role of Fabrizio's mother, Mrs. Nacarelli. Her song came up a bit abruptly, (the simmer one) and seemed to have no real relation to any of her actions within the play (she claims to enjoy creating and minding the family drama, yet we never really see this enjoyment and/or quiet meddling.)

I loved the rest of the Nacarelli family, and would have liked to see more of Clara's father, but was pretty satisfied with the part as it was. I felt that Victoria Clark did a lovely job as Margaret Johnson, and I really got a kick out of Sarah Uriate Berry as Franca; she looked wonderful.

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Well Clara is really a two demensional character, Margaret is the really heavy character.

"I close my eyes, and I still see his face"-Marian from "The Woman in White"

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Dude - you're so way off base on this. If funny is your guide for good or bad, then you just have different taste from the kind of person who will like THE LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA.

RE: sexual/stripping his shirt off. Do you remember how interested you were in sex when YOU were twelve? I certainly remember it for myself! If Clara has the emotional capacity of a young teenager, she would be at the beginning of her sexual development - a time when sex hormones begin to rage in young people... so - stripping off his shirt is just like what a young person would do if given the opportunity.

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Wow. There is absolutely no reason to get personal or to be rude. Someone had an opinion, and it was shared rather gracefully and tactfully. Not everyone will like everything. Please do not attack people for feeling differently than the majority about something, especially something as trivial as a musical theatre piece. It's fine if you dissagree, and obviously we'd all love to hear another side, but to be so rude to someone who was not rude about their opinion of the show is completely ridiculous.

On the subject of the show itself... I haven't seen it. But I did see the cast performance at the Tony Awards, and I wasn't impressed. However, I personally don't feel I know enough to judge either way.

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What was wrong with what i said? All i said was that (to counter my "opponent's" previous post, was that i don't judge musicals based on how funny they are. I do like things that are more seriously toned, but i think comedy is just as enjoyable. I really wasn't rude (if you interpreted it that way, then i apologize, i wasn't trying to come off as an insensitive jerk.) And besides, the comment that 'someone had an opinion' should apply to me, seeing as i'm the minority (those who didn't like the show), which therefore makes my opinion the "different" one.

I'm a tad confused, who ('Gerry' or me) are you talking to? The next comments are for GERRYSANGEL
About something i said earlier: "Sara Ramirez has one of those great Big bold voices...etc" It seems as though you took that one comment and applied it completly to ALL of my taste. No of course not, not every broadway actress should have a big bold voice. (In the Phantom movie, I thought Emmy Rossum was AWESOME. Gorgeous too.) Also, just because i'm sticking up for this comedy and so glaringly attacking your drama, doesn't mean that i only base things around comedy.
About comparing the shows: i changed my mind. Yes it can be done. Why? because the Tony judges do it every year, just like the Academy Awards judges do it (almost, there's not always a comedic best pic nominee) every year. It can still get a little weird comparing them anyway but...
About your commment on the Italtian phrase that meant "Clara is the light in the piazza." I'm half Italian (can braely speak it though) yet it still went over my head b/c i don't own the soundtrack so i can't listen closer to the lyrics. Maybe they should've done it like those songs where there's a phrase or two in a foreign language, but it then sung directly afterwards in English, with more lyrics in English following to back the statement up.(ex: Amigos Para Siempre.) Can we be "friends" (or at least not enemies now)

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jbaker475, if you view the thread in "nest" or "thread" mode you will see that Luv2151986 was addressing GerrysAngel (although, no offense, but you've both gotten a little hysterical over this).

I have made enough faces.

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yes, hysterical i have become *wanders into dark corner and crumples into fetal position....


STAND STILL!! HOW CAN I SHOOT YOU IF YOU KEEP MOVING!?

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"Maybe they should've done it like those songs where there's a phrase or two in a foreign language, but it then sung directly afterwards in English, with more lyrics in English following to back the statement up.(ex: Amigos Para Siempre.) Can we be "friends" (or at least not enemies now)"

I actually really liked that they had Fabrizio sing in Italian since he is not supposed to know very much English. I think it's cheesy how in most musicals and movies foreign characters somehow magically know how to speak English. Even though I don't speak Italian, I was able to understand the meaning of the song due to the strong performance of Matthew Morrison.

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you're missing the point if you think the show was "blah." It's rather complex - much more complex than the average theatre-goer wants to see, unfortunately. SPAMALOT is hilarious, certainly, but it doesn't in any way deal with real people or actual human feelings or relationships. It's a fun, light-hearted comedy. The Light in the Piazza has many nuances both of music and story-telling which will probably be lost on people who prefer to be entertained rather than to be moved AND entertained.

Also - THE LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA is for adults. Or at least people who understand adult feelings. I love the score and the lyrics are beautiful. yay.

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you're missing the point if you think the show was "blah." It's rather complex - much more complex than the average theatre-goer wants to see, unfortunately. SPAMALOT is hilarious, certainly, but it doesn't in any way deal with real people or actual human feelings or relationships. It's a fun, light-hearted comedy. The Light in the Piazza has many nuances both of music and story-telling which will probably be lost on people who prefer to be entertained rather than to be moved AND entertained.

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I saw Spamalot last year on B'way and loved it--very entertaining. I saw Light in the Piazza this past weekend, with Patti Cohenour standing in for Victoria Clark and Kati Clarke as Clara. This was a truly moving and remarkable production. Ms. Cohenour was superb--I cannot imagine that the show would be better with Ms. Clark in it. The music was remarkable: complex, pleasantly dissonant, very edgy, almost profound. This is not a show that one forgets. The staging is so memorable too. We went to see this show at the last minute, having freed up Saturday night unexpectedly before leaving NY to return home. I cannot stress enough how glad I am that we saw this wonderful production.

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omygod i saw the show twice it was brillent katie clarke was bad though

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