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Failure of the Samurai Code ?


It's been many years since I last viewed this film and only found my way to this site attempting to see if it is available on DVD. Happily it is and even more so, people are discussing it. One comment mentioned that the film is about the failure (emptiness) of the Samurai code. I can only offer my opinion that codes, laws, rules, etc. cannot, in and of themselves, fail, just as a stop sign cannot be said to have failed if a driver does not stop for it.
It is the person who claims to subscribe to the code, who, when it becomes difficult to do so, fails.
P/S, another great film with Tatsuya Nakadai, The Wolves.

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While we can argue about a code or a law's shortcomings, if such codes or laws are good/bad, right/wrong, moral/immoral, once a person elects to follow it, for whatever reasons, and then fails to do so, the failure is the persons, not the codes. A person can see that a code or law is wrong, using their own moral compass as a guide, and choose not to adopt it. If they do, usually because it is expediant or profitable to do so, they forfeit the right to claim they are not obligated to follow the "bad" code when it make unpleasant demands on them.

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As for whether people have choices or not: in some ways, they do and in some ways they don't. I do think that Kobayashi showed his characters making choices. Some honorable and some not.

First, a comment about the "samurai code" and what Kobayashi (or the novelist Takiguchi Yasuhiko, who wrote the original novel that SEPPUKU is based on) might have thought of it. I don't think that either Takiguchi or Kobayashi were condemning the entire samurai code. In the film (and presumably in Takiguchi's novel), Tsugumo Hanshiro didn't totally abandon the samurai code at all. In many ways, instead, he upheld it while the Ii clan was abandoning the true code in their lack of consideration and in their cover-ups.

Tsugumo Hanshiro wanted to be loyal and follow his lord into death. But his lord forbade it and he obeyed his lord. He pledged to live and raise his friend Chijiiwa Jinai's son, as well as raise his own daughter.

There are quirks in the samurai code, at least the "official" one. There weren't supposed to be ronin i.e. lordless samurai. The samurai was supposed to have a lord and serve his lord, even into death. So the ronin was a contradiction in itself -- he wasn't really supposed to exist. So the fact of the existence of ronin seemed to be explained in the "official" samurai code: that a ronin was one who had already disgraced the samurai code -- he had no lord to serve; if he had been an honorable samurai, he would have had a lord to serve.

But is this "official" samurai code, its designation of a ronin as someone already dishonored: Were ronin actually samurai who had disgraced the samurai code? This is what Takiguchi and Kobayashi would question. They would say that politics and fate would render a samurai into a ronin. The ronin still wore two swords and were supposed to act as samurai. Except with no lord or clan or means of support, then... Well then what?

Hanshiro tells the Ii clan that he was "shamed" by his life of poverty as a ronin. When in reality, he did the best he could to try and support his family -- but he was given few options, most all of them marginal. With no lord able or willing to take him into a clan as a samurai, he could have become an outlaw. But he was law-abiding. So he was forced to take one of the few occupations that were open to ronin, which was piecework handicrafts; he made umbrellas and his daughter made fans. And they were able to earn only a pittance for this work. The one he was raising, his friend's son, Chijiiwa Motome, took on the occupation of teaching commoner children -- another occupation open to ronin, which was also very low-paying.

Already, we do see some choices. Being a skilled swordsman, Hanshiro could have become an outlaw or a mercenary. He chose not to; he probably didn't think that he could properly raise his daughter and foster son in this way. So he chose to take on an artisan's trade. Once more, Hanshiro was given a choice when the money-lender offered him a "great opportunity" (and a road out of grinding poverty) if only he would have allowed his daughter to be taken into concubinage. He refused, saying that he wouldn't sacrifice his daughter's happiness for his own advantage.

There are other choices made throughout the film. And other situations beyond anyone's choice. And thus the family became very poor and very sick, with no funds to get a doctor for care. At that point, Motome made a crucial choice, to sell his swords for money for his sick wife. Out of shame, he concealed his loss, substituting bamboo blades for his real ones that he had sold (which was the common practice -- and poor ronin selling their swords wasn't all that uncommon). Hanshiro, to his eternal regret, lambasted himself for not having even thought of selling his blades. Perhaps had he been willing to do this, the child (Kingo) could have been saved with the money obtained to get a doctor's care.

And Motome made other crucial choices. When the sale of his sword blades, even that did not bring in enough money, he decided to try and extort money from a clan (as it turned out the Ii clan) to get the needed money. Later on, when sitting alone in the garden, expected to commit seppuku -- at that point, he was prepared to do so. Then he was confronted with his bamboo wakizashi. He could have decided to run or else refuse to commit seppuku and then get cut down -- which would have been a LOT less agonizing a death. But instead, he chose to put that piece of bamboo inside himself. He died the death of a samurai, even without his real "soul of the samurai."

As for the samurai code, the real samurai code? Hanshiro avenged the death of his son-in-law; that is a part of the samurai code. Then at the very end, he plunged his sword into his stomach, committing seppuku, as he had pledged to do. He was a poor, ragged ronin -- but he was more of a samurai than any of those well-heeled Ii clansmen.

Wow, this film has SUCH layers and layers.....

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its not Failure to the samurai code its breaking it
and i think that it is the only film hat does that

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Very interesting discussion.

What I took from the film was the necessary balance between justice (following the law) and mercy (disregarding the law as appropriate). The samurai warlords of Iyi followed the customary law perfectly, and to that extent they were "just." The appropriate action, however, would have been to mercifully allow the young man a face-saving way to leave, or at the very least, giving him a day or two to come back with a genuine sword and to wrap up his affairs.

While, strictly according to the samurai code, they were in their rights to demand the young man (Motome) do as he did, they were wrong in not seeing the necessity of the exception, and they were wrong in their contemptuous, hateful dealings with him.

What, after all, is the purpose of the Samurai Code? To uphold honor. Yet, when following the letter of law you destroy its very purpose--acting dishonorably to enact the code--the law is then subverted in its most meticulous observance.

The parallel I see is Christ's spiteful dealings with the Pharisees who would rather see someone die than to see their draconian laws broken to the slightest degree.

This is the source of the conflict within the film, in my view: justice vs. mercy. The rage of Hanshiro is against this manifestation of the broken law--a law that persists despite denying its very purpose.

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Well said, Xuesheng!

That's my interpretation of the film as well. Hanshiro even says it at one point; he admits that there was no excuse for Motome to do what he did, but he points out that the clan's extreme (and somewhat arrogant) way of dealing with the situation was far worse.

I know nothing about the samurai code, but I assume that it's the same structure as every legal justice system on the planet. First we have a "code" (or a "constitution" or a "10 commandments" etc) which spells out how each individual must behave. Entirely separate from that is the punitive/sentencing process which is left up to the judges' discretion. For example, it is illegal to steal a car, but the punishment is not clearly defined. We are given a range of punishment, and it is up to the judges to select what is appropriate.

With the samurai, as with a corrupt judicial system, the judges begin dishing out sentences which are not commensurate with the crimes. 99% of the time this is due to the judges' arrogance, megalomania and/or political jockeying. It has nothing to do with the "code".

I think this was the gripe which Kobayashi points out in many of his films. The samurai, in their blind ego, forget what the code is about, and instead they act like a bunch of overzealous hall monitors in elementary school.

There was a Brady Bunch episode which touched on the same theme (albeit considerably less artistically than this great film!). Peter Brady becomes the hall monitor and begins ruthlessly punishing kids for the slightest transgression. Then on the way home from school he tries to save a kitten, and in so doing he is forced to trespass on someone's property. He gets into all sorts of trouble, and he eventually realizes that with any law there is a necessity for interpretation and, if necessary, clemency. Then the washing machine explodes and bubbles go everywhere...

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Exactly, well-put. That's what I thought...the conflict of justice and mercy seemed to me to be the theme of the film. In fact I was reminded of Pharisees a lot...you know, Letter vs. Spirit of the Law. :) When you have one without the other you run into trouble. That's why I call the code in this film empty: if you're following the letter of the law exactly, but you're missing the *spirit* of it, you will see blind cruelty and heartlessness.

You must remember Kobayashi designed this film to be a social commentary applicable to *his contemporary world*, apparent to Japanese people especially and to others with knowledge of Japanese history and culture. He might not have been condemning the entire code in and of itself--though that's arguable from what I know of the director. But the main characters *are* still shown as heroes for acting like samurai.

What he was really condemning was the way the code was used to whitewash atrocities around the time of and during WWII. It became a bad code when used this way--completely heartless. This film is powerful in the way it shows such a life to be really empty and an evil. Western filmmakers and audiences seem fascinated by the samurai, but watch a Kurosawa or any samurai film in black & white. The old directors experienced what that code had got them in WWII, and so you will see, sometimes subtle and sometimes more brutal like in this film, a condemnation of the code or of the samurai class itself.

It's also hard to debate in a way because the samurai's code was never really written down or standardized or inscribed on stone tablets. It was really enforced by social expectation and pressure. So if someone took it way too far, who's going to raise their voice or stop them if they are the upper class and were "just following the code"?

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The samurai of the House of Iyi were wrong not only by observing the code in such abrupt manner when dealing with a stranger: they were extremely wrong to do this while not fulfilling their own obligations. In fact, I believe that the retainers of the House of Iyi do not quite represent the samurai code anymore - clearly they obey much more pragmatic codes, among which the most important one seems to concern the reputation and the political power of the House of Iyi. Whenever this comes into conflict with the samurai code, the code loses. Of course, many of the retainers place their own safety before anything else.

From the interaction between Hanshiro and the Iyi retainers one would think that the movie bemoans the gradual loss of the Samurai Code in the face of a new complex macro-political reality. From the interaction between Motome and the House of Iyi, we realise that the Samurai Code was not much more than a burden in the new, peaceful world of the Tokugawa shogunate, mostly because it was designed for physically aggressive times. From this perspective, the Samurai Code does fail indeed - it leads to too many conflicts both in the larger political picture, and in the smaller economy of the impoverished former samurai families. In times of peace, the Code is too blunt for political complexities and too sharp for simple human survival. It is a warrior's device in a world with no warriors, now only a symbol and a pretext for various samurai-unrelated issues. It is a luxurious beautiful thing, and the only one who still knows how to use it properly is an old ronin out of his time, with no family and no reason to live (extremely badass nonetheless, able to expose single-handedly both the immoral foundations and the sword-fighting laxity of a victorious house of the Tokugawa era, while showing wonderful composure in the face of terrible grief).

In Japanese movies and literature there is often a struggle between common sense and absolute moral principles which, much like in the Greek tragedies, usually ends badly for the characters caught in the middle. But all these stories usually serve as warning signs against pushing principles to extremes.

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The code is not a complete facade. Honor and duty do exist, but not to the black and white extent that some take it. A warrior/leader/person can live within the code, but must understand that the code does not supersede one's humanity. The danger occurs when an institution's dogma becomes more important than individuals that make up the institution.

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The code is almost dead. The Iyi clan only plays they are samurai but they are coward and mean. Tsugomo is a real samurai - he knows his time is over, he knows the Iyis are laughin' on the code but he defeats them morally with his dignity. An awesome character.

He sits alone there and a lot of armed samurai don't dare to touch him until the very end.

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