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Top 250?

posted 17 years ago by Bellator86
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This movie has a (current) user rating of 8.5 points.
But on the Top 250 list, it is on 226. place with 8.0 points.
So, what kind of rating is the Top 250-rating, since they are note the same scores?

I have seen similar differences between Top 250-ratings and user ratings of the movies on the Top-list, practically every movie on the list have this difference between their ratings. But why is this? What ratings are used on the Top 250-list?

Sorry for being a bit "off-topic" on the forum, since my question has nothing to do with Seppuku itself (I confess, I haven't even seen it But I will soon, when I can get my hand on a DVD). But if you know the answer, I would like to know.

The only thing I can come up with, is that the Top 250-list's ratings are rarely updated, and this movie has gone from a 8.0 to a 8.5 in a short period of time.

Sorry for any grammatic errors/awkward use of words etc. English is not my native language.

(PS: What was the first thing that came to mind when seeing the title for my topic? Did you think I was going to say it didn't deserve its place on the list, banter with "This muoovie suxx!!", "Worst flick evar\o/" and such?
I bet you did But I got your attention...)

I don't want any of this! I start doin' coke, next thing you know it's a bandana and a needle full of Hi-Five! Two weeks later I wake up in a tub full of ice, barely able to bid for my own kidneys on ebay

[–] jozjoz 17 years ago

That's because it uses another formula, it's at the bottom of the top 250 page. Oh, and it also mentions votes from only regular voters are considered. Who are the regular voters? We will probably never know.

Here's the formula I was talking about:

weighted rating (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C

where:
R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 1300)
C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.7)

[–] Bellator86 17 years ago

Silly me, I didn't look at the bottom of the page. Thanks for pointing that out:)

Maybe this somehow explains why Flåklypa Grand Prix (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073000/), one of the best animated movies of our time, never got on the top 250 list, with a score of 8.1 (a score that should be enough).

Oh well, maybe some day...

I don't want any of this! I start doin' coke, next thing you know it's a bandana and a needle full of Hi-Five! Two weeks later I wake up in a tub full of ice, barely able to bid for my own kidneys on ebay

[–] Maito 17 years ago

This movie occasionally rises to top-250.. Sometimes when I look at the 250 I see this at the bottom. It lingers between 270-240, I think. *Not that it matters whether a movie is there or not*

Btw, I checked Flåklypa Grand Prix's page and found this

The movie has sold over 5.5 million tickets in Norwegian theaters. The population of Norway is 4.5 million people.

That's pure madness.

Wagstaff: You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it.

[–] Bellator86 17 years ago

That's pure madness.

Why yes, yes it is
It has also been aired on TV every Christmas Eve or Day as long as I can remember (and I'm 21), and I've watched it almost every time. It's no Christmas in Norway without good ol' Flåklypa.

[–] lolmao500 16 years ago

How come 661 retards rated this movie 1/10??? BAN THEIR ACCOUNTS.

[–] Omicron-Persei-8 15 years ago

You often get ppl vote down movies that "threaten" the rankings of movies that they like in the top 250. Complete idiots, obviously.

[–] oldmotem 15 years ago

If you take the TOP 250 ratings too seriously, you yourself become one of those idiots. You don't want to be among that crowd that downrates movies to see their own fun video game come to life on screen make it into that rarified air. Or even be considered by anyone to be in that crowd.

Really, if the Top 250 were a SERIOUS thing, you could become upset that this movie isn't in it. But don't worry about it. This is one of the finest movies ever made. And a more brutal story of woe and horror you will not find.

I just marvel at all those low rankings by women. This certainly seems to me to be a sad sad tale that they usually like. But it is very brutal and unforgiving. Perhaps they don't like the treatment of women or of families in it.

It does deserve to be on all the serious lists of "best movies."

[–] yjodry 15 years ago

"How come 661 retards rated this movie 1/10??? BAN THEIR ACCOUNTS."

I guess the answer is contained in the question... In my not humble opinion, one of the 20 best movies ever directed. All the retards who voted 1 should be shot on sight, then get raped, then get cut to pieces and then get eaten, and yes, in that order. I'm just kidding...I guess...

The truth is the truth hurts
Don't you agree?

[–] dalldorfw 15 years ago

It would be more painful if you raped them first, so that they would be alive to feel it. You could also rape them with a gun, thus killing two birds with one stone.

I love giving helpful advice.

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[–] rhowells2000 14 years ago

What I want to know is, what's more pointless, lists of greatest things voted for by the public, or award ceremonies? Tricky, isn't it?

[–] happyguy99993 13 years ago

It's rated #199 right now. Glorious victory for Masaki Kobayashi!

I'm not going there to die. I'm going to find out if I'm really alive.

[–] jussi_m 13 years ago

Yeah! I remember a few years ago this movie was struggling to stay in the top 250, it was in the 240-250 and then it dropped out.. But I'm glad to see it's pretty high up there right now! Although, it should at least in the top 50. Let's get other Kobayashi films up there too, Human Condition definitely should be there, without a doubt, PERIOD

"It's All in the Game."
My Vote History: imdb.com/user/ur10932798/ratings

[–] fishpoo 12 years ago

I just realized that a film needs at least 25000 votes to appear in the Top 250. That explains why this film is nowhere to be seen. And it's got a long way to go.

[–] mjlangenbru 11 years ago

UPDATE
The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) - BACK IN
The Battle of Algiers (1966) - BACK IN
Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) - BACK IN
Les Diaboliques (1955) - BACK IN
Ikiru (1952) - BACK IN
Fanny and Alexander (1982) - BACK IN
The Wages of Fear (1953) - Needs 800+
Throne of Blood (1957) - Needs 4,000+
La Grande Illusion (1937) - Needs 4,500+
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) - Needs 4,500+
The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) - Needs 5,500+
Come and See (1985) - Needs 6,000+
Tokyo Story (1953) - Needs 7,000+
Sherlock Jr. (1924) - Needs 8,500+
Seppuku (1962) - Needs 12,000+

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[–] Anonymous-733 10 years ago

Update:
The Wages of Fear (1953) - Back in

Throne of Blood (1957) - Needs 2,700+
La Grande Illusion (1937) - Needs 3,500+
Sherlock Jr. (1924) - Needs 7,700+ (45 minutes long - not long enough for the 250?)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) - Needs 5,000+
Tokyo Story (1953) - Needs 5,500+
Come and See (1985) - Needs 5,000+
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) - Needs 3,300+
Seppuku (1962) - Needs 10,700+

[–] reima09 10 years ago

Top 250 is a dumb joke.

*beep* movies

[–] tseybert 10 years ago

Yup. So much Christopher Nolan is the first clue.

Janet! Donkeys!

[–] Maddoom 9 years ago

You really want a true masterpiece like Harakiri to be on a list along with The Dark Knight ranked as the 4th best movie ever. That would be a disgrace.

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