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No offense, but it was pretty telegraphed (SPOILERS)


I saw that suicide coming from a mile away, as soon as he got on that plane back to NY. More to the point, I saw it as soon as he got to that tea-drinking guy's apartment (and what was his story, anyway?). I knew that a picture made in 1962 could never let a gay man live.

The death of the president and the ultimate outcome were pretty unforeseen, however, although too ham-handed and overly dramatic. I guess that the country was pretty concerned about Eisenhower's health and heart attacks, and that he would not survive them, so that would seem more realistic to the Sixties audience, but it's tough for someone seeing this for the first time in the 21st century to swallow.




I asked the doctor to take your picture so I can look at you from inside as well.

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Were there other movies in that era in which gay people died? Are you sure that was so certain? Also not sure why a president dying would be unrealistic in more modern times. Had McCain won, this would have been a possibility. Reagen was also old. Not like it was only possible in the 50s.

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I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there is another thread here on that topic, essentially that because he was gay, he had to die.

As for a dying president, I'm talking more about a dying president as depicted in the movie - that he's wasting away from some disease, unknown to the viewer, and likely unrevealed to the public.

But what I'm more talking about is the dramatic angle. He died just at the moment that prevents him from ensuring his legacy by having a strong Secretary of State. Had he died a few minutes earlier, the vote would never have been held; if he had died a few minutes later, the VP would have voted for Leffingwell. This is too convenient, and frankly, what I would consider a cheap dramatic device for him to die at that instant.




I asked the doctor to take your picture so I can look at you from inside as well.

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In the book, the Leffingwell nomination is defeated overwhelmingly (I think 73-27 or thereabouts), and the President dies later that night, so it's not quite as coincidental as in the film. But I can understand why, for cinematic purposes, the President dropping dead during the vote worked better.

What is unrealistic is the speed with which the climax unfolds. The President keels over midway, or even a bit later, through the roll call (which, incidentally, wouldn't have been broadcast from the Senate in 1962). They would need time to get the doctor there, pronounce him dead, and get the machinery started to have the Secret Service move in to protect the new President. So there is simply no way the roll call would still be in progress as the Secret Service agents began filling the Senate chamber following the President's death. The vote should have been over long before, and the VP would presumably have broken the tie in favor of Leffingwell. Of course, after succeeding, he could have asked him to resign, or decline the post, a request which Leffingwell would have been bound to honor.

Offhand I can't think of a film from that era with a gay man committing suicide, but I'm sure there are such examples, maybe not as obvious. Again in the novel, the character of Ray -- who lives in Indiana, not wicked New York City -- also commits suicide one evening soon after Brig Anderson dies, out of sadness at his (innocent) role in driving Brig to his death.

Incidentally, the climax of the book has the Soviets beating the US to the moon! But the Americans are close behind, and the new President -- who has foresworn running for a full term -- heads off to Geneva to meet with the Soviet premier, and the novel ends on a note of hope.

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