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Johnny's crack about Wayne Newton's sexuality


In the early 1970s (approximately 1973) I remember Johnny Carson making a remark in his monologue, "I saw Wayne Newton and Liberace in a heart-shaped bathtub together." While everyone in the audience howled, Newton didn't think it was funny at all and a few days later went over to Carson's office and threatened to beat him up (this is in Wayne Newton's autobiography "Once Before I Go" at the beginning of Chapter 11). Carson stammered out a nervous apology to Wayne. Does anyone know the date Johnny's crack about Newton was aired, or a youtube link where I can find Johnny's remark?

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The entire story as told here is written by Wayne Newton himself in his autobiography, "Once Before I Go" at the beginning of Chapter 11.

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Liberace was on I've Got A Secret way back and I remember thinking you bet your sweet ass you do! Of course his secret was not that it was just him performing somewhere NOBODY came out of the closet back then. He actually sued a tabloid that said he was light in the loafers and won. Newton did sound like a girl when he sang.

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One things certain Liberace would have been really interested in Johnny's crack.

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HI-YOOOOOOOO!

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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I doubt Newton would have cut his own throat like that

Agreed.

All we have to go on for this is only from Newton himself.

I bet it was just all a fantasy he dreamed up and is passing it off as if it actually happened.
John, Ed, and Fred de Cordova are no longer around to deny this story. I call BS on it.

In any case, what a wimp who can't take a joke.

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The story is confirmed in the book "Johnny Carson" by Henry Bushkin. Bushkin was Carson's attorney and best friend for 20 years. I don't know why it's so hard to believe. Newton is a large man from a tough neighborhood and his career was doing just fine without Carson.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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Wayne Newton did appear on The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy in the 1960's. Lucy really liked him.

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The story is confirmed in the book "Johnny Carson" by Henry Bushkin. Bushkin was Carson's attorney and best friend for 20 years. I don't know why it's so hard to believe. Newton is a large man from a tough neighborhood and his career was doing just fine without Carson. If you've ever been to Vegas, you've seen billboards advertising performers you've never heard of or you haven't seen on TV in decades. Well, guess what? They're making millions a year just performing in Vegas.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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Maybe Johnny was right. Maybe Newton is gay.
Certainly seems like it if he is going to Johnny to threaten him to protect his false sexuality of being straight.

Damn, I'm good.

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Newton is married with two children. But whether he is gay or not is irrelevant. It was a mean-spirited joke yet typical of the times. There's an infamous tape of Johnny using the F-word (you know which one I mean) at a roast.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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Carson was still alive when Newton wrote the story in his book. So you're saying you have no interest in reading about history because all those people are dead?

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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Yeah, I'm with Johnny on this one.
Newton is or was being a real big time A-hole if he really went to Johnny's office and threatened him.

I still doubt the credibility of the story though since it is all one sided and those who it happened to can no longer deny or acknowledge it.

Damn, I'm good.

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Newton is married with two children.


A lot of gays, especially celebs or those in the public eye, such as Rock Hudson and Elton John, did this to hide their sexuality so that they could keep on faking their way through show business.
Newton might have done the same.

Damn, I'm good.

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True, but neither you nor I know that's true in Newton's case which is why I said it's irrelevant. The joke was meant to insult Newton whether he's gay or not.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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that joke was too ahead of its time. I remember one joke-- that young urban upwardly mobile people are called yuppies, and their is a new one called guppies-- gay urban upwardly mobile people--nobody laughed, you could hear a pin drop in the studio.

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The problem with Newton's story is the logistics involved. Would he really have made a special trip from Vegas to LA just to personally threaten Carson over lame joke? Then there's the matter of how would he get into Carson's office, at all. I can't imagine NBC's office personnel, let alone security, letting an incensed Newton see Carson for no apparent reason.

And there's Bushkin supposedly confirming it. Remember, at the time of his book Johnny had been dead for a decade and Bushkin wasn't concerned with the truth, but most interested in selling books. So, putting the 'confirmation' in there could easily be seen as just something to that end.

Finally, there's Carson himself. It's not like he was some kind of milquetoast. Honestly, even if Newton had made it into Carson's office and actually threatened him, I would be willing to bet that Carson, rather than cowering, would more than likely just laugh at Newton and tell him to get the hell out of his office. It's no secret that Carson was combative and backing-down just wasn't really in his nature.

I would be more inclined to think that what really happened was either Newton or a lawyer contacted Bushkin and threatened some sort of legal action. Bushkin told Carson and suggested rather than chance it, for Carson just to back off any future aspersions suggesting Newton was a homosexual. From that, Newton came up with his fable and Carson just ignored it.

That is, unless Newton ever needed anything in LA. Likewise, I'm sure that Newton would do what he could to make Carson's life miserable if he ever needed anything in Vegas.

In fact, there 'is' a story in Bushkin's book about Carson once having a hissy-fit about not being treated like he thought he should while doing some event in Vegas. Bushkin got it sorted out but I wouldn't be surprised, at all, to learn that Newton was somehow involved.

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You make some very valid points-I always thought the confrontation story didn't ring true.

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Bushkin goes on to say Carson never played Vegas again after the confrontation.

Can someone check this out.

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