The beginning of the end...


The Silver Dollar city episodes; badly made, bad props and backgrounds, relying on repeat footage and locals for actors, then the New York City episodes have the same feel and cheap stock footage. Then the Shorty and visiting Shad episodes then finally, the frogman episodes after that. In fact you can say when the TV show began being filmed in color was the beginning of the end. Make no mistake, I am the world's biggest fan of the Hillbillies, and yes there are plenty of enjoyable moments in color, but I feel especially strong about what I mentioned above.

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I wouldn't say the color filming was the beginning of the end, they had a few good seasons after that. I'd agree 1969 was the beginning of the end with Jethro's talent agency, Mr. Drysdale becoming a caricature of an evil banker, and the drawn-out stories involving Silver Dollar City, New York, and Shorty Kellems. I liked the Clampetts going off to fight the grunions in the last season, but after eight years in southern California, you'd think they'd have heard of grunions and surfing.

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I don't color TV was the beginning of the end.

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When it comes to quality, I think you can draw a line between the B&W episodes and the color episodes, but part of it was because the best ideas had already been used in the first three (B&W) seasons.

Aside from that, more of the budget had to go toward shooting in color, so I think other production areas suffered. If you look at the mansion's interior in the color episodes, they didn't even bother to repaint the walls; the walls, and even the mirror, are gray.

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Who cares about the mansion itself.

As long as you enjoyed the episodes is what counts.

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<<<I don't color TV was the beginning of the end.

nah. That would have probably happened even if it continued in black and white.

The zany off the wall unrealistic exaggerated carictures was the style of every tv show (or almost every tv show) of the time whether a sitcom, drama, or any other format.

It just happened to coincide with the time of the popularity of color tv shows.





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I thought the Silver Dollar City episodes were a load of fun(especially since I go there myself frequently). The New York episodes are great too, as are the Frog Man episodes. In my opinion, the show lost its touch with the grunion invasion.

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<<<In fact you can say when the TV show became colorized was the beginning of the end.

The show was never colorized. Those episodes were actually filmed in color.

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I liked the Silver dollar ones . I went to that Hotel there and asked where the Clampets stayed because its only one story high . And some of
the people there were on the show.

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It's true that much of the footage had a tacked-on quality which detracts from the already strained credibility of some stories, especially any scene where the cast worked on a flat sound stage in front of a very obvious rear-projection screen.

Still, I have a fondness and appreciation for the outdoor location scenes where the cast was very clearly "on location", even if it was only in a long shot - the Clampetts walking through New York City is a good example. It was fun to watch, even if it only lasted a few seconds.

I didn't hate any of the storylines in the last couple of seasons; but the story arcs did drag on and on for way too long.

I like Shorty and Shad, and even like the Templeton/frogman episodes, but they could have each wrapped up in no more than three episodes each. One redeeming factor of the frogman story arc lasting as long as it did is the focus on the burgeoning ecology and oceanic preservation movements, sentiments which seem very much in line with the "back to nature" Clampetts.

I thought the "Women's Lib" episodes were funny, loved that viewers finally got a glimpse of how Jane Hathaway lived outside of the office, and even enjoyed seeing roles included for "Petticoat Junction's" Lori Saunders, Mike Minor, and Charles Lane, fresh off the cancellation of their show.

I also loved the gentle culture shock of the episodes with the Japanese visitors, and even the bit about Elly becoming a secretary, if only because Donna Douglas was unexpectedly gorgeous in her non-Elly wigs and wardrobe, both as Geisha, and as brunette silent film goddess "Clara Bow". It's hilarious seeing Douglas the actress get to stretch her comedic range beyond the parameters of normal role when, as Elly the secretary who has been coached by Granny, she vamps it up in the exaggerated manner and costume of a silent film star. Shimmying madly, she whips the fringe on her dress around while she rolls and flutters her heavily made up eyes like they are a pair of spastic butterflies under a strobe light.

Taken as a whole, I'm glad the show went as long as it did, rounding out characters and situations in a manner which was satisfying 90% of the time. It makes the occasional stumbles and slow bits evident in the last couple of seasons forgivable. I think ultimately, the much-hated "rural purge" at CBS happened at the right time, though; it's hard to think that any of Paul Henning's three shows could have successfully gone any further into the 1970s without straying further from their origins, or without sustaining further changes, or without running out of steam and compromising each show's quality.

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Update: Thanks to MeTv running the episodes more or less sequentially, I have just been able to watch the entire final season, followed immediately by the very first episode and the rest of the season. Although I still like the final season, there is certainly a marked difference between the very first episodes of the first season, and the very last episodes of the last season. Definitely the early stuff has more punch, certainly edgier writing, and the cast all play with more dimension on the early stuff.

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On the final two or three seasons they took an idea and milked it for several episodes.

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Jethro was polite in the beginning and a crazy nut at the end, Elly went from an uppity tomboy always looking for a fight to a mild-mannered young woman, and Mr. Drysdale turned rotten. Miss Hathaway in turn had some character development through the series, but after Drysdale slid off the deep end you can't help but wonder why she'd stay at the bank. Jed and Granny are the real rocks of consistency, though Granny was quiet and sour in the first episode.

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I thought Granny changed quite a bit in the later episodes, in the early episodes she is a little grouchy but loveable, she reminded me more of Grandma Walton kinda/sorta.... BUT in the later episodes she became totally neurotic going off on EVERYONE for NO REASON at lot of the times, I thought she was pretty sensible and down to earth in the early episodes, but in the later episodes if anyone just so much as looked at her she exploded into a rage.

Jed on the other hand got softer.

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I sort of liked the Silver Dollar City shows, but as I recorded the episodes, I found almost nothing worth keeping after those. This was long after the series switched to color.

My beef with the New York/Washington shows and the Phil Silvers character--loved him in his two series earlier--was the way he kept getting conscience, deciding he couldn't keep the 1-2% of the family's money he had accepted checks for and that he just had to give it back because they were so nice. Then he'd try to swindle them again.

A real con man likely tries to swindle more than a tiny percent of a given wealthy person's money. As a man who did this for his living, Shifty Schaeffer just would not have felt so guilty, especially knowing that the family had no need for that money--they would never miss it.

I also thought that Jed, who was normally fairly perceptive, was stretched to be too dumb in not realizing that there was something wrong in that every big park/building mentioned was suddenly owned by Mr. Schaeffer or the "Indian" he knew.

The whole business with Shorty running around with all the women and being treated like a teenager by the Clampetts was surely far from the series best. He was a middle-aged man and they were locking him up like a runaway teen, almost forcing him to marry Elverna against his will.

The frogman episodes were SO STRETCHED out, and so unbelievable, even if we forget that Granny saw Jethro in a frogman suit years earlier.

But the ongoing thing that ruined much of the last two years was the way Drysdale changed from a penny-pinching, bank president who cared about keeping his largest depositors happy, to a cheating, lying, scheming jerk who truly mistreated his employees.

The on-going plot was a fine idea, but they needed ongoing FUNNY plots.















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The Frogman story arc and Grunion were the worst! Just stupid and dragged out! And the character personality changes were pretty bad too- Mr Drysdale most of all. He became like a bad caricature. Just over the top mean &amp; nasty! And stupid too! The episode when he's meeting with some American Indian businessmen and dresses up like Old West Indian chief?!? Seriously? I would think someone on his position would have to have substantial education, enough to know an American Indian businessman wouldn't be dressing like that or expect a major bank president to dress like that.

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TV Land is in the the 3rd season now, and the episodes are no longer directed by Richard Whorf. Although they're still funny, you can tell the quality is not quite as good as the 1st and 2nd seasons.

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The show slowly went down hill when they for cheap laughs let two major characters become one dimensional. Mr. Drysdale was a realistic character who was essentially Mr. Drucker to the family. He was solitous of them. However, at the end he was just evil and slap stick funny. The show fell off because of that. Second, Jethro going from Bumpkin to Jerk and Bumpkin adn bad combination. I agree with the thoughts of those that it just ran out of ideas and when it tried to expand outside of its characters and base it did not work (except for the Trip to England because the War of the Roses and the Robin Hood episodes were truly classic).

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Drysdale wasn't all that helpful in the beginning. He was amused when they couldn't get water out of the pumps (kitchen sink faucets) and didn't show them anything.

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I agree. I don't see what others are saying about Mr. Drysdale starting out as nice then becoming mean and greedy as the show progressed. Mr. Drysdale was cheap and greedy from the start and that's what makes him so funny! I don't recall exactly which episode it was in but it was a fairly early one when he called one of his employees into his office and it was mentioned that the employee was still paying Mr. Drysdale for a car loan that he had been paying on for 20 or 30 years. I think the employee's name was Lester Lester??

If these characters hadn't been greatly exaggerated from real-life, it wouldn't have been funny. It would have been a drama and I would not have watched a single episode.

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I agree, that's why I only bought the black & white episodes on DVD.

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On reading this topic, I looked through the episode list and have concluded:

The show was still excellent in 1965-67, the first two seasons they were in color. You had, among others, Jethro's spy office in the bank, where they caught some bank robbers; Granny's race for Possum Queen vs. Mrs. Drysdale; Military School; Jethro the Magnificent--where he got a magician to come to the house to teach him the trade; Jethro Goes to College; The 2-part Badger Game where con artists tried to blackmail Jed; The Martian Invasion; the Mayor of Bug Tussel; and Computer Dating.

The third color season, 1967-68 had the first trip to England; then the episodes in Griffith Park with Jethro as Robin Hood; the Plot for Granny; Topless Restaurant; and the fabulous 2-parter involving the family being involved with TV "Rasslers." Now that season did have some other drawn-out plots that weren't nearly as good.

It was the 4th color season, Season 7 for the series, where the quality overall was significantly less with many, not a few, episodes not worth watching.

The Silver Dollar City episodes and the other poor plots you mentioned, came at the beginning of the 8th season, in fall 1969. There were only a few episodes after that that were worth watching, in my opinion.

My point: Not only did the change to color have nothing to do with the drop in quality of this series, the big dropoff in quality did not at all correspond in time with the change to color. I think you could say it began in the latter part of the third color season, increased in the 4th, and took over in the 5th color season.

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I think that is the correct view of the time line. It was not a fall off after it went to color, it began to slid down hill and cratered by the Grunion invavsion.

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