MovieChat Forums > The Misfits (1961) Discussion > A BRILLIANT FILM ~ A PERFECT CAST

A BRILLIANT FILM ~ A PERFECT CAST


I personally feel the film didn't do well at the time it came out because is a stiff drink to swallow, even in today's hardcore environment, watching this movie can really shake you up. Also, the negative publicity it received - though is known to work for some films - did a good deal of damage and the death of Gable and Monroe finally added a doomed cloud over it that has never been lifted. Even diehard Monroe fans don't like this film.

When you hear they don't make them like they used to. You better believe it.
Every actor in this cinematic masterpiece gives the best performance of their careers.
Marilyn in particular is treat to watch. At times funny, others nurturing and painfully vulnerable. Other times she dives so deep inside herself
that what she brings to the surface is nothing short of heartbreaking.

I urge those of you who have not seen this film before or in a long time to rent it and become involved with the message it delivers, I'm sure you will be very glad you did.
GO MARILYN!
Jay DePalma

Veda you're cheap and horrible. Now give me that cheque"
Mildred Pierce

reply

I'm a huge Marilyn fan & I loved "The Misfits".She visibly works her hardest to represent a character quite close to her own as Norma Jean,delivering an achingly brilliant performance so painfully close to real emotion.
I was startled by the depth of the lead's performances and the air of menace and gloom that pervaded the film,making it a mood masterpiece.This is possibly why it did not succeed commercially during its time-it was unconventional and confronting for its coldness and nihilism,yet the spookily executed ending seems to evoke a sense of hope beyond the seemingly meaningless existences the characters had been leading.
The air of intensity is most profound during Marilyn's heartbreaking scene when she runs out in to the empty desert & accuses the men of being "three dead men".It's almost like she built up all the angst her life & career had brought her,& finally got the chance to bring it to the surface through Roslyn.

reply

[deleted]

I'm a huge Marilyn fan & I loved "The Misfits".She visibly works her hardest to represent a character quite close to her own as Norma Jean,delivering an achingly brilliant performance so painfully close to real emotion.
I was startled by the depth of the lead's performances and the air of menace and gloom that pervaded the film,making it a mood masterpiece.This is possibly why it did not succeed commercially during its time-it was unconventional and confronting for its coldness and nihilism,yet the spookily executed ending seems to evoke a sense of hope beyond the seemingly meaningless existences the characters had been leading.
The air of intensity is most profound during Marilyn's heartbreaking scene when she runs out in to the empty desert & accuses the men of being "three dead men".It's almost like she built up all the angst her life & career had brought her,& finally got the chance to bring it to the surface through Roslyn.[


Yup. The Misfits' piercing sense of fatalism, dark angst, and wrenching pain subverted audience expectations and commerical motivations.

reply

I'm a huge Monroe and Gable fan, but I've just rewatched this film, and it certainly doesn't seem brilliant to me. There are lots of nice scenes, and - it is true - Gable gives a great performance, as does Monroe. Thelma Ritter is as good as ever in her scenes, and the rodeo and the town scenes following are quite effective. But once the entire affair moves out to the desert, Arthur Miller's usual heavy-handed metaphors take over, and the whole thing drags, even though the reasons for this are hard to pin down. monroe's character is difficult to swallow at times, despite her best efforts, and (common to Miller) one is left with the feeling they are being preached to about the human condition. Miller tries too hard to be relevant and revealing. It's certainly worth viewing, but - as film - it is short of magnificent, as the motivations get hazier and hazier, and nothing really happens beyond a certain degree of angst and hysteria. One problem appears - to me - to be that the characters' "joys" aren't expressed energetically enough so that we can be interested when these joys are exposed as being partly hypocritical or desperate, or mere habits. It takes itself entirely too seriously to be greatly superior as a viewing experience.

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

[deleted]

and the whole thing drags


I don't think so. It just doesn't rush or force anything, allowing the fatalism to evolve organically. That's partly what made Huston such a powerful director; he let his films find their own speed.

as the motivations get hazier and hazier, and nothing really happens beyond a certain degree of angst and hysteria. One problem appears - to me - to be that the characters' "joys" aren't expressed energetically enough so that we can be interested when these joys are exposed as being partly hypocritical or desperate, or mere habits. It takes itself entirely too seriously to be greatly superior as a viewing experience.


Maybe it's just too dark, unrelenting, and unmitigated for your tastes. To me, the emotional and psychological ambiguity is a virtue rather than a defect. Motivations in life are often mysterious and inchoate.

reply

..this is one of the finest films ever made. No explosions, no special effects,just a group of fine actors, a very literate and intelligent script, and you have a movie with more insight into the "human condition" than most films can hope to aspire to. An absolute gem !!

reply

[deleted]

I honestly feel had Monroe lived, she might've done some incredible work. This movie, though at a very turbulent time in her life, attests to that. Of all her films that I've seen this is the first one that didn't cast her in the typical "dumb blonde" role she often fell into. Monroe had longed for a serious dramatic role to perform and although she and Miller were on the outs, this was her "ideal" role, since it was so near a despcription of her in real life. I've read her biography and two lines from the movie are hauntingly true:

In the Harrah's scene with Isabel=
{Isabel}- "Well, you had your mother, didn't you?"
{Roslyn}- "How do you love someone who isn't there?"

The scene with Gay after the rodeo=
{Gay}- "Didn't your papa ever spank you, then pick you up and give you a big kiss?
He did, didn't he?"
{Roslyn}- "He wasn't there long enough. Strangers spanked me for keeps."

Those 2 scenes alone proved that Monroe could hold her own in a dramatic performance, given how true to her life they were. It's a shame she couldn't realize her own talent long enough to show it to the world.


{Alice}-"Do you wanna do it,with no feeling on my part?"{Ted}-"Yeah" B&C&TA

reply

Don't forget that the Misfits had the undercurrent of skewering the whole cowboy mythology. As Thelma Ritter's character Isabelle might say, if you challenge the ideal of the last manly men, cowboys, you are bound to make enemies. This movie stripped out any romantic notions of the noble cowboy and what he does to make his way in the world.

I'm sure most movie audiences perferred the John Wayne or Clint Eastwood version of the West.

Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. --Law of Probable Dispersal

reply

Agreed. A Brilliant Film and a perfect cast..

Clark Gable looked every hour of his 61 years and somehow provided a jarring contrast to Marilyn however the casting is natural..Gable was manliness on the screen and Monroe womanhood on the screen..two celestial stars. John Huston had a hands off way of directing and created an atmosphere for a film. Gable ran with it and created a brilliant portrayal. With MM every thing she did, big or small, made the papers thus the ruckus during the filming: Her lateness, her
hospitalization, the production overruns..( her recent films Some Like It Hot, Lets Make Love and The Misfits all went way over schedule and Somethings Got To Give was also on track for huge overruns), while the media was not the way it is today, still rumbles were about her great affair with Yves Montand, and then to top it off Clark Gable dies right after filming.

MM and Arthur Miller had agreed to make this film for UA and had in fact received finanial advances to star in the movie, thus while stressed during the movie, they had to work together. Then UA did not know how to release it.
So they threw at the audiences rather than showcasing it. When Some Like It Hot opened it ran for 4 months before it made the neigborhood theatres. Both were UA films so somebody goofed.

Seen today it is one of the most important films from that era..and Gable, Clift, Ritter, Wallach are fine and Marilyn magnficent. As Billy Wilder--whom she fought with a lot during Some Like It Hot--said there was no one on the screen like Monroe, not even Garbo.

reply

If you haven't already Williliwaw, I recommend you watch "Great Performances" (1972) {Making 'The Misfits'}. Netflix has the DVD.

It gives some insight to the people behind the personalities. I was amazed to hear about the extent to hero/goddess worship for Marilyn when she was alive. I thought a lot of her mistique was marketing build-up in the years after her death.

My main criticism is that Thelma Ritter wasn't given enough minutes. She more than held her own against Monroe and Errol. At least at the beggining of the movie. Near the end, she was hardly there.

I love the quote Errol Flynn said comparing himself to John Huston. Basically he predicted Huston's womanizing, gambling and carousing would lead to an early grave. Instead Flynn died within 6 months and Huston lived for another 25+ years.

Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. --Law of Probable Dispersal

reply

John Huston had a hands off way of directing and created an atmosphere for a film.


Very true. Huston's style is "invisible" and yet immensely powerful and moving. I write about that here:

doesn't have any distinct themes or a visual style that runs through all his films.

I totally disagree. Huston came out of the same filmmaking philosophy as Howard Hawks and John Ford, which was to showcase the story unpretentiously rather than try to show the director's hand from behind the camera via stylistic gimmicks. Still, despite his unpretentious style and the varied subjects and settings of his films, Huston definitely featured a consistent set of themes and his own visual aesthetic. Most of his films comprise a study of vulnerable loners and down-on-their-lick misfits who are somehow disaffected and detached from the hostile societies that they inhabit. Often in his films, two or three of these loners or misfits will come together in hopes of finding some security or sanctuary, some islands of hope and camaraderie in a stormy sea. Just as often, however, they'll eventually fall out or attain only a tenuous reconciliation, as their stubborn personalities, willful ambitions (ranging from duty to hubris), and earthy desires (such as lust and greed) eventually drive them apart. Movies such as The Maltese Falcon (1941), The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948), Key Largo (1948), The Asphalt Jungle (1950), The African Queen (1951), Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison (1957), The Misfits (1961), and The Man Who Would Be King (1975) (all of which are classics) all share these thematic concerns about misfits struggling (usually unsuccessfully) to fit together while fighting against their personal demons and the larger forces of destiny and tragedy. Indeed, Huston was a modernist director with a sense of fatalism that made him unique among Old Hollywood figures. Visually, Huston never called attention to himself, and yet his aesthetic style is quite palpable. As a painter, he had an excellent eye for compositions and landscape, and he possessed an inherently reflective and realistic sense of pacing. Huston's films never drag, but they unfold casually and unhurriedly, without rushing. His films are fluid yet sinewy, graceful yet gritty, prospering from an unconscious yet authoritative directorial perspective. They're intelligently aware and yet they don't strain to impose social meaning, and there's also a zestful freshness to them that reflects Huston's life spirit.

In other words, Huston was indeed an auteur, but if you interpret that label as referring to someone who only works in one or two genres or features a bunch of self-conscious stylistic trademarks, then of course you'll fail to properly recognize John Huston.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001379/board/thread/34976037?d=35176656#35176656

reply

Don't forget that the Misfits had the undercurrent of skewering the whole cowboy mythology. As Thelma Ritter's character Isabelle might say, if you challenge the ideal of the last manly men, cowboys, you are bound to make enemies. This movie stripped out any romantic notions of the noble cowboy and what he does to make his way in the world.

I'm sure most movie audiences perferred the John Wayne or Clint Eastwood version of the West.


1) Clint Eastwood did not play noble or romantic cowboys, quite the opposite.

2) Eastwood was not a movie star in 1961, anyway.

3) I don't think Huston is deconstructing the cowboy mythology as much as he's reflecting its limitations when confronted by modernity. Lonely Are the Brave (David Miller, 1962), released the very next year and starring Kirk Douglas in perhaps his best role, would make much the same point.

reply

I personally feel the film didn't do well at the time it came out because is a stiff drink to swallow, even in today's hardcore environment, watching this movie can really shake you up.


When I saw The Misfits for the third time (out of six) on the night of Thanksgiving Eve, 2004, I felt a need to pen poetry based on it, write analysis about it, and then go outside into the cold, lonely night to walk around and calm down my nerves. It really can shake one up.

Also, the negative publicity it received - though is known to work for some films - did a good deal of damage and the death of Gable and Monroe finally added a doomed cloud over it that has never been lifted. Even diehard Monroe fans don't like this film.

When you hear they don't make them like they used to. You better believe it.
Every actor in this cinematic masterpiece gives the best performance of their careers.
Marilyn in particular is treat to watch. At times funny, others nurturing and painfully vulnerable. Other times she dives so deep inside herself
that what she brings to the surface is nothing short of heartbreaking.


Well-said. In effect, The Misfits revealed the darkness and fallacies of supposed glamour, and audiences at the time did not want to see that.

reply

I agree with DMH7-1. Miller's script was far too heavy-handed. He was obsessed with Marilyn (even at this point when they couldn't stand each other) and it shows. He very much lacked self-awareness as a writer.

"My car is outside."
"Naturally."

reply