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The original Jeckyll and Hyde story


This is what Jeckyll and Hyde should have been.

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NO, hyde represents innate human baser desires while jeckyll represents a drive for civility and progress.

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Can't both things be true?

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Psycho -- both Robert Bloch's original 1959 novel and Hitchcock's 1960 film adaptation -- can be found to have used the templates both of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde AND The Wolf Man. But: Hitchcock didn't let audiences in on those influences until very late in the film...nor did Bloch in the book.

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I don't agree. I really like the original novel the Strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and frankly wouldn't want the fantasy aspect of it (the serum that turned him into a different person) to be replaced with Jekyll simply having multiple personality disorder and the reveal to be that Jekyll dressed like Hyde all the time.

That also would get rid of the great conflict Jekyll had at the end of the novel. Which is the tragedy that he was stuck in the form of Hyde and couldn't find the right mixture of chemicals to turn back into Jekyll.

Not sure if you have read the original novel but Jekyll and Hyde are supporting characters and the main character is Gabriel John Utterson. It's about him slowly discovering the connection between his friend Dr. Henry Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. It's totally different from any movie you have seen.

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I don't agree.

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Fair enough.

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I really like the original novel the Strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and frankly wouldn't want the fantasy aspect of it (the serum that turned him into a different person) to be replaced with Jekyll simply having multiple personality disorder and the reveal to be that Jekyll dressed like Hyde all the time.

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Well that's a very good explanation of how Psycho is NOT like Dr J and Mr. H. Or The Wolf Man for that matter, but let's stick (for your case) to Jekyll and Hyde. I get it now -- Psycho had SOME relevance to Jekyll and Hyde, but where the themes really COUNT...no.

In some ways, its a "surface thing," yes. Anthony Perkins is this nice, pleasant, handsome fellow -- harmless looking. Mrs. Bates has a vicious, animalistic cruelty to her murders by knife blade -- she comes off as too big and strong for an old lady. So there's a bit of Jekyll/Hyde there. Surface.

But I certainly get "the difference within" and the fantasy element of the potion itself.



That also would get rid of the great conflict Jekyll had at the end of the novel.

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Very true!

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Not sure if you have read the original novel but Jekyll and Hyde are supporting characters and the main character is Gabriel John Utterson. It's about him slowly discovering the connection between his friend Dr. Henry Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. It's totally different from any movie you have seen.

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I read this years and years ago...I remember it more as a long short story(novella?) than a novel but I DO remember a main character describing Jekyll and Hyde from a distance. I recall this man's tale of watching Hyde(without knowing he WAS Hyde) beating some man with his cane, and stomping on him. "A murder I remember."

I don't dismiss the OP's reference to Jekyll and Hyde and I might have elsewhere said that myself. But your posts change my mind, significantly.

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Now the Wolf Man. Not a potion. A wolf bite, yes? With certain "legendary gimmicks" to stop him (silver bullet, silver cane.) There's the "Psycho" aspect of how animalistic (literally) and vicious the killer is AS a wolf man. But Lon Chaney Jr. eventually KNOWS he turns into a wolf and kills. He knows the killer is within him.

In Psycho III -- my favorite of the Psycho sequels even as I don't much like any of them -- Norman has some self knowledge of his capacity to kill if aroused or threatened. As it turns out, he FIGHTS that urge -- grabbing his own knife blade to "short circuit" his madness -- so as to avoid killing a woman he loves (Diana Scarwid's wayward nun.) But other times, he doesn't fight it at all, and lets "Mother" slash some less noble women flat out to death...

I can't recall...eventually Jekyll KNEW he could turn into Hyde and harm people?

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The whole thing was that Jekyll had a theory that every person was really 2 people in one. The good side that wanted to do what was right was one person and the evil side that wanted to do wrong things was another person. He created a serum that would separate his evil self from his good self. Thus his evil side was Edward Hyde. He didn't have all that much control over his evil self but his evil self would turn back into Jekyll willingly so he could hide after he'd done something bad.

He tries giving up turning into Hyde but then one morning when he wakes up in bed without taking the serum, he suddenly has transformed into Hyde. He ends up having to take stronger doses of the serum to turn back into Jekyll. Unfortunately he ends up stuck in the form of Hyde permanently and can't find the right chemicals to turn himself back. But has complete control of himself. So he writes a new will to Utterson along with a confession that tells everything. But then he has a heart attack and dies when Utterson and his Butler Poole find him in the form of Hyde. Everything I just said though isn't revealed til the last chapter of the book.

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I appreciate the detailed review of Jekyll and Hyde; I'd simply forgot all that.

(I wish I knew how to use that spoiler blackout, I don't.)

One thing that CAN be "publically referenced" is the concept that "there is good and evil in any man." Probably so. Most of us keep the evil at bay -- we are ethical, or compassionate..or we just don't want to go to jail and get raped or something in claustrophobic quarters.

Psycho certainly posits "good Norman" and "evil Mother," except as the movie goes on, we come to suspect Norman: is he REALLY a nice guy when he's not Mother? Some folks around here have said YES -- "Poor Norman, he's nice guy, as long as Mother doesn't pop out." I say: I'm not so sure -- Norman may be PLENTY evil and just acting out the nice guy to lure female victims and keep investigators at bay.

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Darn! I kept trying to mmake a podt explaining it kept coming out wrong. Just click on formatting help.

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I think it worked.

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I will go head and add that I have read the Psycho novel by Robert Bloch and it is very similar to the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. The author Robert Bloch wrote the book from Norman's point of view so that the reader thinks from the start that Norman and his mom live together and are 2 different people. It's not until near the end of the book you find out Norman suffers from multiple personality disorder. I can't help but wonder if Robert Bloch intentionally made his book similar in style to The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde or if it is just a coincidence.

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(aka ecarle.)

I will go head and add that I have read the Psycho novel by Robert Bloch and it is very similar to the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. The author Robert Bloch wrote the book from Norman's point of view so that the reader thinks from the start that Norman and his mom live together and are 2 different people. It's not until near the end of the book you find out Norman suffers from multiple personality disorder.

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It was interesting how Hitchocck and his screenwriter Joe Stefano "re-crafted" Bloch's novel to somehow avoid the key "cheat" of the novel: In Norman's head Mother IS a separate being, entering rooms to talk to him. The cable series Bates Motel illustrated how this would work(witih Vera Farmiga playing a "separate mother") but Hitchcock instead chose to "play a little game" with the audience, based mainly on showing Mother only up at the window(and only moving one time up there) or killing people with her face obscured. The MAJOR "cheat" in the movie is Mother's voice(clearly a separate actress) but Hitch only had her speak twice before the twist ending(and once after.)

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I can't help but wonder if Robert Bloch intentionally made his book similar in style to The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde or if it is just a coincidence.

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I don't think it was a coincidence, I will bet that Bloch thought at least SOMEWHAT of Jekyll and Hyde in crafting his two-personality killer.

Recall that in the movie, the psychiatrist said that after "mother" killed Marion in the shower "Norman returned as if from a deep sleep" to determine Mother killed the girl. In the book, Norman DRANK himself into unconsciousness(or so he thought) but in both book and movie, we can figure that sleep had nothing to do with it, it was simply a personality switch.

Also, in both book and movie, Norman has no time TO "go into a deep sleep" to kill Arbogast. Mother likely takes over within an instant.

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(aka ecarle)

And so, I think that Robert Bloch likely HAD read Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde and DID reference it somewhat in his writing of Psycho.

Indeed, I have read that Robert Bloch wrote ANOTHER story, EARLIER than the novel Psycho, which ALSO had a split personality killer so..Jeckyll and Hyde were likely on his mind for some years before he formulated Psycho.

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Cool. Thank you.

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