I stood in big, long lines to see The Exorcist in 1974(it was a Christmas 1973 release that played forever) and Jaws in 1975. I don't recall screaming by the full house audience for The Exorcist(though I do recall groans of revulsion). I DO recall wall-to-wall screams during all the shark attacks in Jaws. And in 1979 I saw a college revival of Psycho(1960) with a full house that screamed (shower murder) and screamed(staircase murder) and screamed(fruit cellar climax) and at many bits in between those.
But here's the thing: none of those movies scared me in the least. I've come to believe, over the years, that there was something in me that could enjoy these movies for different reasons(well, I didn't much enjoy The Exorcist) and to "vicariously bask" in all the screaming around me, sharing the fear while not really feeling the fear.
I wonder why this is so.
That said, Psycho DID scare me for several years when I did not see it. I was a child and I had created a vision of Psycho in my mind(thanks to other kids "telling me the movie" with gory embellishments) that did plenty to haunt me. I rather constructed a more "realistic" version of Psycho in my mind that placed that motel on a REAL highway and the adjacent house on a real hill. And there was something to be said for even IMAGINING how horrible it would be to be stabbed in a shower for a LONG time, with the killer not leaving and the terror continuing.
This "vision of Psycho in my mind" actually DID scare me for about 10 seconds one summer morning in 1966 when CBS ran a commercial about "the big movies coming to CBS in the fall." A clip from the colorful, family-oriented and joyous Music Man(1962) suddenly segued to Mother raising her knife in the shower as Janet Leigh screamed and yes -- I felt the hair stand up on my neck and "took in" the horrific setting of that motel bathroom as the site for murder most bloody and foul.
Fast-forward to: 1970. I finally got to see Psycho, all the way through, uncut, on a late night showing. I found it well made, atmospheric, admirable, and kind of the "summary" of all those years it was unseen and feared by me.
But it didn't scare me. Not that night, and never again.
I've found myself watching the murder sequences in Psycho more for an admiration for their execution than with any fear. When Mother pulls that curtain back and the music starts to screech....its powerful, classic stuff and I can IMAGINE how much that must have scared people and I write about it accordingly.
When I saw The Exorcist, I had had a friend who had seen it and told me "when her head turns all the way around, it was the scariest thing I've ever seen." Well, I saw that effect and mainly I was...impressed. A pretty cool effect. "How'd they do that?" But it didn't scare me. More often watching The Exorcist , I was rather outraged by what this angelic child actress was having to do(yes, she and her parents wanted the role, but still.) The X-rated language. The self abuse with the cross. The pea soup vomiting. Gross, all of it, borderline child abuse in my eyes(director Friedkin actually injured Linda Blair and Ellen Burstyn in forcing certain stunts on them) -- but not scary to me a bit.
Nor was the climactic exorcism itself scary -- it was in 1974, and remains today to me, a rather over-busy, borderline funny, fusillade of special effects, prayers, and bad language. It only took a year or so for SNL to spoof the scene with Richard Pryor and a possessed child who yelled "Your mother sews socks that smell!" Comedy.
I saw Jaws with a screaming house, but mainly enjoyed the film for the brilliant execution of the murderous attacks, and for the suspenseful fun of one "not fatal attack" where the unseen shark(represented only by the wooden section of a dock he is dragging through the water) , comes after a guy who has fallen in the water. He gets out in time. The audience applauds and laughs. Exciting. Fun. But not scary.
Nor was it scary to watch the shark finally swallow Quint whole. Interesting, yes. Effective, yes. Meaningful yes...we FINALLY get to see the shark eat somebody start to finish, and how fitting that it is the shark hunter.
The Alien chest buster scene? I saluted the uniqueness of the surprise(its like being guaranteed to die in child birth.) But it didn't scare me.
The haunted hotel in The Shining and "Mad Jack." The hotel didn't scare me(though it seemed a great setting for a terror tale) and Jack Nicholson as a crazy person didn't scare me.
That said, here's what did...and sometimes still can: scare me. Sudden "jump out at you moments" which -- when done well and memorably -- become classic moments in films, classic or not:
"Dead" Alan Arkin's leap at Audrey Hepburn in Wait Until Dark(1967). Not the first jump cut in movie thriller history(that would be Arbogast, and that followed some lesser earlier ones) but the first one I saw and I jumped while others screamed.
The head popping out of the hole in the boat underwater in Jaws (we're worried about the shark, instead THIS happens.)
Carrie's hand coming out of the grave at the end of Carrie. (I'm not a big fan of the movie, but that scene paid off.)
The Alien suddenly appearing behind Captain Tom Skerrit in the airshaft in Alien. (And suddenly the star of our story is gone -- ala Janet Leigh.)
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As a sidebar, I am sure that I WOULD have jumped (and maybe even screamed) if I had watched Arbogast go up those stairs NOT KNOWING how and when death would come. Millions of people got that as a surprise, I did not -- but it was fun watching and listening to those audience screams when the attack came on -- and this remains a scene of creepy brutality to me, I enjoy it for its visual power and unnerving quality rather than shock.
As another sidebar, one waits the entirety of The Shining for somebody to get killed -- and when the moment comes, the suspense is there(in the Arbogast tradition, a friendly intruder will be the victim) but Jack Nicholson was not particularly terrifying as a psycho and I found the killing to be rather perfunctory(here on this one occasion, Stanley Kubrick was not as good a director as Alfred Hitchcock.)
I say all of this in full knowledge that all of these movies HAVE scared people, quite profoundly and by the millions and I can only wonder why none of these movies (save Psycho, in my mind, at too young an age) have scared me.
I suppose, in the final analysis, I'm one of those people who know "its only a movie" and so the terror never goes very deep. Suspense is a feeling I can feel, and excitement. And frankly I felt those feelings more powerfully in my youth. Though even as an older adult, I find that I'm always able to suspend my disbelief and 'get into the story" -- I can still get upset when a bad guy cheats a good guy and the good guy doesn't know it, for instance.
But fear? No. Psycho didn't scare me. The Exorcist didn't scare me. Jaws didn't scare me. Alien didn't scare me.
And yet, I love them all(save The Exorcist.)
PS. The psychopathic rape-murder in Frenzy didn't scare me -- but it sure made my blood boil with anger at the male brute who did that to a poor, innocent woman. Hitchcock perhaps knew that there were more complex emotions to convey on screen than scares.
I suppose, in the final analysis, I'm one of those people who know "its only a movie" and so the terror never goes very deep.
I guess I scare and get v. stressed pretty easily.
1. All of the trendy, indie horror hits of recent years have "got me" at various points: The Witch, Babadook, Hereditary, Eyes of My Mother, even The Descent from a bit earlier. And that super-meta-compilation of horror ideas, 'Cabin In The Woods', also unnerved me even as it turned into a big Scooby-Doo episode after a while.
2. The New French Extremity horrors of the 2000s, e.g. Martyrs, Irreversible, Inside, High Tension, etc. had me literally shrieking, cowering behind the couch, etc..
3. Various eps. of the Masters of Horror tv series freaked me right out, esp. John Carpenter's ep. 'Cigarette Burns' (a horror about and for film-buffs) and Don Cascarelli's (of Phantasm (1979) semi-fame) 'Incident on a Mountain Road'. Lucky McKee's (of May (2002) semi-fame) 'Sick Girl' was also very worrying. I think this series was HBO. Is it on HBO Max? If it is then I challenge you watch these eps. ecarle and not be even a little bit scared!)
4. The Ring & various other J- or J-influenced horrors definitely scared me at times.
5. Jacob's Ladder (1990) maybe doesn't quite work overall, but was also memorably creepy and unsettling in parts.
6. Polanski's Repulsion and Rosemary's Baby both sacred me on first viewing for sure.
Anyhow, that's just for starters: I'm a cheap scared date!
Update: Checking, it seems that the Masters of Horror series was originally on Showtime. It appears that the first season (which covers all eps I mentioned) is currently streaming in the US on Amazon Prime (it's not on Amazon Prime down under).
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I guess I scare and get v. stressed pretty easily.
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I must admit I haven't seen most of the movies on your list, which reminds me that I'm not all that much of a horror film fan -- and that Psycho in certain ways is not entirely a horror movie(even though we have Hitchcock in a 1960 interview on film saying "this is my first horror movie.") The "hybrid" mix of mystery, noir, caper film and "American Crime Story" that Psycho brings WITH a healthy dose of horror is what makes it great.
A movie like "The Haunting" (1963) traffics in weird sounds and unexplainable visuals and a general air of haunted house unease. But what I like about Psycho is that when Arbogast goes into that house, he isn't haunted by a ghost or made subject to weird sounds, etc. He is flat-out killed, in a horrible way, by a horrible insane human being, and the "haunted house" genre gets real. (The fear then transfers to Lila's visit to the house.)
And what remains odd -- to me -- is that I can "objectively" take in that staircase murder, and the more famous in history shower murder, and the truly great "double reveal" of the two Mothers in the fruit cellar and say: I acknowledge all of this as very scary, and I've read that it was even more scary to audiences in 1960 but..when I first actually saw the film start to finish, it didn't much scare me.
I think I wrote the OP because, via HBO Max, I've been able in recent days to watch both Jaws(which I own and watch a lot) and The Exorcist(which I DONT own and rarely watch) and I "flashed back": these were megablockbusters and I saw 'em both, but I don't recall being SCARED by them. I wasn't haunted for days by them. And from what I've read...a lot of people WERE. Especially The Exorcist, with its supernatural elements(evidently very terrifying to people, moreso than a psycho or a shark) and the most "out there" use of the "new" R rating -- in movie history? I mean some of the things that that monster girl says are at the highest reaches of profanity...more obscenity.
Note in passing: Whereas Jaws got a lot of basic cable play from the 80's on...The Exorcist, not so much. The language has to be heavily edited and I think the film is considered downright dangerous to air given its supernatural/religious impact on people's psyches. I read a comparative review of the two films this week that said "Jaws is actually a family-friendly PG film, but The Exorcist is a hard R adult thriller." Fair enough.
Two key films in my life that I saw before I saw Psycho(on TV) and The Exorcist(in a theater) were Bonnie and Clyde and The Wild Bunch. I went to those movies "bracing myself for something bloody" and I recall when the blood finally came -- in both movies -- it neither scared nor repulsed me. And in The Wild Bunch at the finale, I found the gunbattle to be just about the most exciting sequence I'd ever seen in my life.
Its as if with each warning in the press about the "bloody shocks" of Psycho, Bonnie and Clyde, The Wild Bunch...and on to The Exorcist and Jaws...I "braced myself" and then never really felt scared or repulsed. Something within me, I guess.
Conversely, as I listened to people screaming around me (at "Jaws" it was likely KIDS a lot, and dare I say I heard a lot of FEMALE screaming) , I enjoyed the movie as a thriller(to me) while vicariously enjoying the greater fear(screams) of the people around me.
Note in passing: I remember being at least "all shook up" at that moment in Bonnie and Clyde when a fairly elderly bank clerk jumps on the back of the getaway car and he is shot in the face accidentally by Clyde. Its a variant on the slash to Arbogast's face, this time in color(the blood), no music and VERY loud gunshot sound...and I'll admit that this image did haunt me.
Also around that time: Wait Until Dark. I dunno, maybe I DID scream when "dead" Arkin made his jump at Hepburn, but my vivid memory of that night at the movies with a big crowd, was that for the entire suspenseful third act -- my leg started bouncing up and down, up and down, uncontrollably. I kept pounding on it like Dr. Strangelove. My male friends with me, as I recalled, asked me to stop it -- and I couldn't. SO: fear? Or some other mechanism of suspense reaction? Oh well, I was young.
The pleasure of Wait Until Dark wasn't just the big shockeroo stuff at the climax, but the great contrast between Utterly Evil Alan Arkin(playing his mob psycho with a cruel comic touch and a funny voice) and Pure Good Blind Audrey Hepburn. As Arkin kills off his henchmen and the movie devolves down to him and Audrey...its a showdown. Good versus Evil. And the audience is fully invested.
This dialogue before the scares kick in.
Arkin has Hepburn trapped and he tells her he has killed his henchmen:
Arkin: Did you know they wanted to kill me? I knew it. I knew it before THEY knew it. They had comic book minds, and now its topsy turvey. Them topsey, me turvey. Even you saw through them.
Hepburn: I saw through you, too.
Arkin: Not all the way, Suzy. Even now...not all the way.
I cite this dialogue passage because it demonstrates how I personally enjoyed "the total package" of a shocker thriller back in the day. The characters, the dialogue, the building suspense, the narrative surprises. Psycho plays perhaps a little LESS chatty than Wait Until Dark, but the dialogues between Norman and Marion, and Norman and Arbogast...do the same thing: they create character and interest(even some humor) in the run-up to killings and escapes.
2. The New French Extremity horrors of the 2000s, e.g. Martyrs, Irreversible, Inside, High Tension, etc. had me literally shrieking, cowering behind the couch, etc..
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Part of my issue here may be that in citing the "mainstream studio classics of shock"(Psycho, The Exorcist, Jaws, and I'll add Wait Until Dark) I'm avoiding the "goes all the way" horror of foreign films and American indie films. I just don't have the stomach for those. I DID go to High Tension with a woman companion of mine who was always up to see ANYTHING(man, that was my movie relationship of all time)...but she and I mutually agreed that we weren't so much scared by the murders in High Tension as disgusted by them. And we walked out.
Perhaps I'm now of an age (and have been, since the 70s) where you just can't disturb me, but a search of my memory banks pulls out two that sorta kinda did:
The Blair Witch Project. This first "found footage" movie got great mileage out of its three young protagonists getting lost in a deep woods(unnerving enough) but then spending dark nights camping out to sleep - with two of them eventually hearing the screams in the night of their third(a young man) who has gone missing. It was all very real and unnerving to me: honestly, what kind of shelter from killers do you have in a TENT? Plus: the stick sculptures. Plus: the final shot against the wall.
M. Night Shaymalian's "The Visitors." A small scale comeback movie about two kids sent to stay in an isolated cabin with their "grandma and grandpa." Something is "off" about these old people even in the beginning and they require the kids not to come out of their rooms from 9:30 pm on. The movie is legitimately upsetting as it becomes clear that after 9:30 pm..these two old people go a little mad, creep around and act in disturbingly sexual ways. The payoff is indeed pretty chilling -- and what the grandpa does to one of the kids is a sickening moment of madness.
So...I guess I can still "get the creeps" from horror movies when I'm willing to watch them(which isn't often.)
And I will add this about Psycho. On that 1979 night when I finally saw it with a screaming audience, I recall emerging from the campus theater after that last shot of Norman looking out of us as the car emerged from the swamp. I was surrounded by people and we ALL seemed to be in a somewhat creeped out, scared mental state, moving fast to get to our cars, walking in groups, etc. I recall thinking: "Hey, not only did I get to see Psycho with people screaming...I now have the feeling you got AFTER coming out of the theater." A disturbing experience...a very special American movie that could linger on like that.
Oh, well, my statement's out there about not being scared by Psycho, The Exorcist, Jaws. I will still write about how Psycho is scary, and terrified people. I'm even willing to countenance Hitchcock scholar Robin Wood's statement (circa 1965) that Psycho was then "perhaps the most terrifying movie ever made." It was.
I DID go to High Tension with a woman companion of mine who was always up to see ANYTHING(man, that was my movie relationship of all time)...but she and I mutually agreed that we weren't so much scared by the murders in High Tension as disgusted by them. And we walked out.
The shocks and scares of the first half of HT *were* pretty disgusting/horrific/traumatizing I think, enough so that a *lot* of people are going to hit pause/walk out. Still, I found that first half intriguing enough and well-made enough to stick with it. The second half that you didn't get to, however, drops a couple of crazy twists that make no sense and turn the whole experience into a joke. HT was easily the worst of the New French Extremity wave that I saw for this reason. I only mentioned HT here because of its impressively nerve-jarring first half (albeit one that's not going to be everyone to say the least!).
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The shocks and scares of the first half of HT *were* pretty disgusting/horrific/traumatizing I think, enough so that a *lot* of people are going to hit pause/walk out. Still, I found that first half intriguing enough and well-made enough to stick with it.
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Its been a long time since I"ve seen it, but I seem to remember a "home invasion" type plot with a number of people getting horribly killed(and I mean HORRIBLY killed) while a survivor kept running and hiding (which indeed created "high tension.") But the murders were too gory for us.
Which rather begs my OP point: if Psycho, The Exorcist and Jaws didn't scare me, can NOTHING scare me? Well, High Tension DISGUSTED me, and I left the theater so maybe...that's a FORM of "scare"?
And this: I've noted that it was my first "look" at Psycho was in the pages of Hitchcock/Truffaut at perhaps too young an age -- the slightly darkened, lingering frames of Arbogast's slashed and horrified face DID scare me...all the way home and to bed. So, OK...THAT worked. I was scared.
Perhaps "scared" at the movies happens the most when the viewer covers their eyes or closes them in terror of a coming jump scare. I'll admit I did that with a few movies, both as a kid and as an adult. But not with Psycho, not with The Exorcist, not with Jaws. I suppose their "mainstream" approach kept them "moderately scary for all." (Except The Exorcist was adult-level gross, and mostly -- said all -- during the MEDICAL scenes.)
while The second half(of High Tension) that you didn't get to, however, drops a couple of crazy twists that make no sense and turn the whole experience into a joke.
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I've never been a fan of movies where the "twist"(unlike Psycho's twist) is so outta nowhere and ridiculuous that the entire story before it becomes a joke. It really messes with the audience's commitment to the tale and its "belief" in the drama of the story.
I think I read somewhere that High Tension's twist may have been (SPOILER AHEAD)..it was all a dream? That twist worked once best: The Wizard of Oz. Not so well thereafter.
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HT was easily the worst of the New French Extremity wave
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The "New French Extremity wave" -- I like that specificity -- it nails it.
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that I saw for this reason. I only mentioned HT here because of its impressively nerve-jarring first half (albeit one that's not going to be everyone to say the least!).
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Well, as I say, it begs my original question -- if High Tension's murders grossed me out to where I left the theater -- I guess you can say that it DID scare me.
I'm engaging here, I suppose, in mental exercise. Realizing that the excitements and terrors of movies from my childhood like Psycho and Wait Until Dark and eventually The Exorcist and Jaws (and, way out there, Alien -- which blasted me back to "IT The Terror Beyond Space" also of my childhood, and that WAS scary for a kid) may not have scared me in the way that they are so often written about, but they did SOMETHING to me. Stirred emotion, excitement, bad dreams, waking "dark daydreams"(if not waking nightmares.) They MATTERED. They are the movies I love -- "dark side" division. But none of them really hit the blood and gore meter the way that the horror movies from, say , Night of the Living Dead and Texas Chainsaw Massacre's era did.
Perhaps "scared" at the movies happens the most when the viewer covers their eyes or closes them in terror of a coming jump scare. I'll admit I did that with a few movies, both as a kid and as an adult. But not with Psycho, not with The Exorcist, not with Jaws.
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I wanted to elaborate on this aspect of "being scared at the movies."
In 1971 or so, I read one of the many articles on Psycho I would read in my life, and I recall the writer offered this "eyewitness testimony" from seeing the movie in 1960 with his wife(paraphrased):
"My wife kept covering her eyes and I kept telling her to open her eyes it wasn't that bad, and then she would open her eyes and it WAS that bad, and I felt sorry, and it was the scariest movie we ever saw."
I've always been able to "picture" people closing their eyes at key moments in Psycho: (1) As the bathroom door opens and Mother's figure appears and creeps towards Marion; (2) As Arbogast climbs the stairs -- particuarly the cutaway close up to the door slowly opening at the top; and (3) The travelling POV in the fruit cellar towards Mother in her chair from behind as Lila approaches.
I'm willing to bet that many 1960 viewers didn't actually SEE the two murders and mother's skull face. They covered their eyes and just listened. And with Lila's approach to Mother at the climax -- pure terror. This Mother had viciously attacked and killed two people but we never really saw her face or got this close to her; now is the time. Keep your eyes CLOSED!
Side note: I have a vivid memory of one time that I DID keep my eye closed "until the bad thing was over." Fittingly, a Hitchcock movie. The Birds. 1963 on first release. I was in "single digits" age. Lydia going down the hall to find the farmer with the pecked-out eyes. My mother: "Cover your eyes." I never saw it, but I heard the audience scream.
In 1983, I saw Psycho II at a sneak preview. A friend from Universal had given me the script to read so I knew where all the murders were. My female companion agreed to go if I would tell her when to cover her eyes - she didn't want to see the murders. So I dutifully complied and - yep, the audience sure screamed during the murders.
They screamed the LOUDEST when Lila Crane Loomis got a big butcher knife through the mouth and out the back of her head(not quite Hitchocckian restraint, eh?) Anyway, the audience went berserk screaming over this murder while my companion kept her eyes closed. The movie cut to another scene. My companion opened her eyes and said "Boy, that must have really been a GOOD murder."
Grudging note in passing: I'm not a big fan of Psycho II, but I give it points for the irony of having Lila Crane Loomis(Vera Miles herself from the original) meet her gory death from "Mother" with a butcher knife 23 years after she escaped such death from such a knife and in exactly the same place: the Bates House fruit cellar. Its as if fate caught up with her (from a different "Mother.")
"And in The Wild Bunch at the finale, I found the gun battle to be just about the most exciting sequence I'd ever seen in my life."
Perhaps the reason it isn't scary but feels exciting is because the way Peckinpah presents that final shoot makes it feel almost heroic, and is the only "noble" thing they really do in the whole film. The people they are shooting are much worse than they and get what's coming to them.
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As Dirty Harry said in one movie, "Its no problem shooting people as long as the right people get shot."
I suppose this is a variant on The Godfather, where we could take the Corleones as heroes of sorts because they only killed other bad guys(WORSE bad guys)...and we never saw them shake down innocent people, beat them, or kill them(which they probably did when we weren't looking.)
There has been some retroactive tut-tutting about The Wild Bunch being four white men shooting up scores of Mexican men(and some women), but the story speaks to the Mexicans being killed as villainous fascist tyrants who torture the Bunch's young Mexican member("Angel") who is on the side of the Revolution. And William Holden starts the ball(after killing the corrupt Mexican general who cuts Angel's throat) by targeting the German military adviser to the corrupt Mexicans. So it has "context."
I offer this one comparison: part of the "nobility" of the final Wild Bunch massacre is how the four guys seem to take bullet after bullet after bullet and "keep on going." It takes a lot of lead to put them down.
Decades later, Quentin Tarantino in "Django Unchained," tried in HIS Wild Bunch gunbattle(Django versus the plantation thugs) to convey the PAIN of every bullet; he had the bad guy victims scream and cuss every time they got shot. It almost worked, but -- pain can't really be dramatized. You have to feel it.
Psycho kind of scared me at the end but I was 11 when I first saw it. Jaws I don't view as a horror film it's more of a thriller/adventure, The Exorcist never scared me.
Honestly the only horror film that I feel is even remotely effective is Rosemary's Baby and even that is more unsettling than scary
Psycho kind of scared me at the end but I was 11 when I first saw it. Jaws I don't view as a horror film it's more of a thriller/adventure, The Exorcist never scared me.
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Well, there you go. About where I was on the three films. In some ways, I will always honor Psycho as being "the horror movie of my childhood" when I could quite honestly scare myself silly just THINKING about that movie once I knew the plot and scenes as told to me by others. Jaws IS a thriller and adventure movie(with a touch of comedy) even as the killings have horror elements.
I have a number of problems with The Exorcist, but I note this about it: Psycho and Jaws (and Halloween and Scream) are ultimately about the suspense waiting for "the monster to kill people" and the shocks when the killings happen. The Exorcist storyline didn't allow for that basic "kill" formula -- so what we got instead was scene after scene after scene of Hysterical Mother Ellen Burstyn entering Regan's room, looking over -- and seeing and hearing something sickening or horrible(or laughable, frankly) every time she enters.
Honestly the only horror film that I feel is even remotely effective is Rosemary's Baby and even that is more unsettling than scary
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That's a great call. Someone called Rosemary's Baby "the greatest horror film with no horror in it," and its true: there are no shock murders ala Psycho and no monsterous creature ala The Exorcist. What there IS, is the horrible suspense of a woman who finds out that her pregnancy seems to be going horribly wrong , that she is surrounded by people who may hurt the baby, that her own HUSBAND can't be trusted....and that something Satanic is going on.
I will here note that I have a significant other who flatly refuses to watch Rosemary's Baby or The Exorcist of The Omen or any other "occult Satanic movies." She believes that these movies possess a certain evil to them and that watching them just might put a person in a bad place. Literally. Like "bad things will happen to you if you watch those movies."
I have survived those movies, but I will note that both Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist are connected to a few - not a lot -- of problems for the people who made them. The musical composer for Rosemary's Baby fell down some stairs and broke his neck. The producer, William Castle came up with a very bad illness that almost killed him. The director, Roman Polanski...well, some things happened. And Mia Farrow met Woody Allen. (Ha.)
I think The Exorcist set burned down. And a couple of the actors died before it came out(the film director and Father Karras' mother.) Director William Freidkin had a very bad heart attack at a fairly young age -- but he was such an aggressive ass that this may have been inevitable.
What is great about Rosemary's Baby is we see things completely from Rosemary's perspective and we can feel the paranoia she is feeling, the unsettling feeling is all in the performances, we know something is wrong but we can't quite pin point what's wrong. And at the end, Roman, Minnie, Dr. Sapirstein and the rest of the coven members, they look like ordinary people but they are pure evil and that adds to the uneasiness, that these kinds of people could be within our society and we wouldn't know it, and when Roman says "Hail Satan" in a normal voice while he looks like a normal human being is an example.
Hitchcock and his Psycho cast didn't have such stories. But then their movie wasn't about the occult.
That said -- both Anthony Perkins and Janet Leigh were "haunted" by Psycho for the rest of their lives -- it became their second career. Leigh had hotel bellboys check the showers out when she would check in to make sure nobody was hiding in them. She got a lot of death threats and evidently developed a drinking problem from fear. (I personally saw her, at a book signing, freeze up, go silent and look down when the shower murder scene came up on a DVD playing the film , above her.)
Perkins found , in the summer of 1960, that he now scared people. He went to a miniature golf place and watched as everybody grabbed their kids and left. He did a summer stock version of "Damn Yankees" after taking the cast to see Psycho in a matinee...and watched as they couldn't make eye contact with him on stage that night.
(Perkins had fun with this, too: He'd wait outside theaters playing Psycho and pop out at patrons coming out of a screening, watched them scream.)
And Martin Arbogast Balsam took a vow to never do any interviews on Psycho because he was tired of only being asked about his staircase scene.
Still...that's just "the burden of being in a blockbuster." The makers of the occult films maybe were messing with something else. I dunno.
What is great about Rosemary's Baby is we see things completely from Rosemary's perspective and we can feel the paranoia she is feeling, the unsettling feeling is all in the performances, we know something is wrong but we can't quite pin point what's wrong. And at the end, Roman, Minnie, Dr. Sapirstein and the rest of the coven members, they look like ordinary people but they are pure evil and that adds to the uneasiness, that these kinds of people could be within our society and we wouldn't know it, and when Roman says "Hail Satan" in a normal voice while he looks like a normal human being is an example.
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Yes, the revelation of these often "older people" and some other normal younger ones, as a Satanic coven manifests at the climax, but its unsettling getting there.
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when Roman says "Hail Satan" in a normal voice while he looks like a normal human being is an example.
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Sidney Blackmer...great actor. And Ruth Gordon doing her "dotty old broad" routine -- it would win her an Oscar and set her on a late age star career in the 70s(Harold and Maude, Every Which Way But Loose...a Columbo killer.)
Elsewhere in the thread , I note a significant other who won't watch occult thrillers.
I was watching Rosemary's Baby on streaming...it was the end...and Blackmer and the others were saying "Hail Satan." My companion walked in, took one look at the scene, blurted out "Oh no...no way I'm watching THIS," and stormed on out of the room. I stayed.
"Psycho" doesn't scare me, either, but it has a feeling of doom that runs throughout and it's a great movie. Jump scares have been around since long before "Psycho". I don't watch today's horror movies because they bore me and seem more focused on startling the audience over and over than engaging any other kind of psychological interest. The most effective jump scare I have experienced is the one in "Wait Until Dark", which caused me and the entire audience to yelp and bounce up from our seats when I saw it in a theater in 1967.
"Psycho" doesn't scare me, either, but it has a feeling of doom that runs throughout and it's a great movie.
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Yes, I've been pondering this since I first wrote it -- about Psycho not scaring me -- and I realized that maybe I need to define(for myself) "scare." Jump scares can do it, and as I got older I found myself bracing for them in a way I did not when I was young.
The idea of something being so scary "you have to close your eyes" most certainly applied to Psycho in its heyday (from what I've read) doesn't really apply to me in general, but I HAVE closed my eyes just to fend off the shock to my system from a jump cut.
Meanwhile, it is my understanding that a lot of audience members(from testimony) closed their eyes as Lila approached Mrs. Bates in her chair....it was just powerful stuff -- was the Mother going to jump up and stab Lila as she had her two previous victims?
One time that I saw Psycho in a theater(not the 1979 screamfest), I noticed two young girls in front of me screaming when Arbogast was slashed and fell -- and when Mother jumped on him at the bottom of the stairs -- they covered their own eyes and leaped into each other's arms to avoid watching . Its the old story: what happened on screen really wasn't as violent as they thought it would be, but they didn't look anyway.
So..clearly Psycho had the power to really scare folks and send them home shaken and afraid of the dark -- and yes, I can still FEEL that effect but in a rather "academic" way. The film is so oppressive and heavy even in its first half hour when Marion is driving and hasn't reached the Bates Motel, that when it gets there, the horror atmosphere kicks in as almost a continuation of Marion's earlier story.
And that feeling of doom is heavy, too. Victims who, as Hitchcock said, "simply didn't know the kind of people they were dealing with" walk into the worst kind of danger. Some die.
Jump scares have been around since long before "Psycho".
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Yes. I called Arbogast's killing the first jump scare in movies, and I was wrong and writing too fast to think. I suppose it is the first MAJOR jump scare in movies, maybe -- in a big studio film seen by millions. And it is the most "rational" of jump scares.
Just the year before, House on Haunted Hill by William Castle had a jump scare that I'm sure made kids scream...but its stupid.
Locked in a room, our young heroine backs up into an old crone with her hands out and her teeth bared and -- yeah, you jump -- but then there is a long shot of the woman rolling out of the room as if on roller skates(I assume she is meant to be floating) Its silly. Its stupid. And it isn't particularly motivated WHY the crone scared the young woman. (The crone reappears later and is presented simply as a housekeeper by Vincent Price.)
With Mother coming out of the door at Arbogast, Hitchcock had fun but played dead serious: THIS old crone isn't going to strike a pose and roll away -- she's gonna SLASH Arbogast's face, and STAB Arbogast to death. The scene horrifies because the jump scare leads to something worse: murder most foul.
I don't think that the Hays Code folks were too supportive of jump scares as powerful as the Arbogast one -- with the shock music and the scream trigger (heart attacks in the audience were legitimately feared.)
But it might be worth some film scholar's time to check out "the history of jump scares" in the movies, BEFORE Arbogast. I've read that there is one(in a cemetary?) in David Lean's Great Expectations, for instance(I think I read this in a study of the Arbogast scare.)
There is that one in House on Haunted Hill(a movie which Hitchcock told his screenwriter Joe Stefano to view when preparing Psycho)...and a couple more, as I recall (an ugly man grabbing the heroine from behind in the dark warning her to leave the house.)
There's one in the original "The Thing" (1951) where we wait and wait for the heroes to open a door and when they do...The Thing(James Arness in Alien make-up) is there and taking a swing with his knife- like hand at them. But unlike as with Mrs. Bates, The Thing kills none of the people in his movie(I think he kills a sled dog or two, though.)
I would expect that the spate of horror and SciFi films of the 50s (preceding Psycho in 1960) had their share of jump scares, but I really do think that HItchocck's Arbogast jump scare was the galvanizing one -- the BIG one that led to many others.
But wait...Arbogast's killing is the "junior partner" of shock scenes in Psycho. There was surely a jump when Mother pulled that shower curtain back, but I think Hitchcock decided to spend more time letting the audience's stomachs drop as they saw the door open, the shadowy figure of Mother approaching...THEN the curtain.
I don't watch today's horror movies because they bore me and seem more focused on startling the audience over and over than engaging any other kind of psychological interest.
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My taste in horror was never "big." Thrillers, yes. Horror -- especially supernatural horror -- no. Truly what horror films I've seen in recent years have overdone the jump scares -- practically coming every 10 minutes or so. The times have changed and the need to keep jolting a teenage audience has come to the fore. Still, I keep reading of titles like Hereditary and The Descent(provided by swanstep) and I KNOW these are better than most. I will try to see them.
The most effective jump scare I have experienced is the one in "Wait Until Dark", which caused me and the entire audience to yelp and bounce up from our seats when I saw it in a theater in 1967.
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Oh YEAH. That's the big one. Unlike the hand that comes out at the end of Carrie(1976) which is really staged "outta nowhere" and little connected to the story ahead of it, the big jump(literally) in Wait Until Dark has been carefully prepared by the entire MOVIE before it. Alan Arkin's creepy killer has been the epitome of evil, threatening people, killing people, mentally torturing the blind , sweet Audrey Hepburn -- and she stabs him in the stomach and he dies. My 1968 audience(for a 1967 film) gave Arkin's death a standing ovation.
And Hepburn is desperately stumbling around her apartment trying to get out -- Arkin has chain-locked the door -- and she moves across her living room and BOOM -- Arkin leaps across the room with a knife at her(as Mother had run across the landing with a knife at Arbogast frankly, but more athletic here.)
The screams shook the walls and it got worse for about two more minutes as the dying Arking crawled across the floor with his knife to try to kill Hepburn.
This being an A-list Warner Brothers movie, Wait Until Dark managed to get these screams without a whole lot of gore. In 1967, character(evil Arkin) and suspsense were enough to generate terror and screams.
If Arbogast's killing is the big "jump scare" in Psycho, the shower murder seemed to get a lot of ink -- all by itself --as "the most graphic murder in screen history to its time."
Though I tell ya: some 1960 critics kept hedging their bets, writing things like "ONE of the most graphic murders in screen history" or "pretty much the most graphic murder I've seen on screen in years."
Which begged the question for me: honestly was there ANY murder on screen before Psycho that was even close in violence and lingering screen time to the shower murder?
I've never been able to find it. Maybe its in a foreign film of the 50s. The Hays Code pretty much locked down violence in the 40s.
I will say that one killing that seemed to get offered up a lot in film studies was: Richard Widmark as crazy gangster Tommy Udo pushing an old woman in a wheelchair down a staircase to her death in "Kiss of Death"(1949.) That's a shocker because she's a nice old lady and Widmark is a mean young man.
I've seen the scene. Its done in a long shot and maybe a second angle, as I recall...in the long shot, its pretty clear that the old lady in the wheelchair is a dummy in a wheelchair, but it IS brutal in the playing.
And its a good contrast to the great "process fall" of Arbogast(we fall with him) that in Kiss of Death, the staircase fall is seen from a distance and not terribly creative at all. Plus this reversal: in Kiss of Death, an old lady gets pushed down the stairs; in Psycho, an old lady pushes(with a knife) her male victim down the stairs.
Anyway, somebody out there might want to research "violent murders and jump scares before Psycho" and to see if there's much out there.
Hey, a number of them are Hitchcock's:
Foreign Correspondent: Diplomat shot in the face and falls down stone steps(precursor to Arbogast)
Lifeboat: Willy beaten on face with shoe(blood) and drowned.
Rope: Opening two-on-one strangling.
Strangers on a Train: Somewhat lingering strangling of Miriam by Bruno.
Dial M for Murder: Near-strangling of Grace Kelly(rape-like, too)....ends with the strangler getting a pair of scissors in the back and falling backwards, driving the scissors deep into his back.
Anyway, somebody out there might want to research "violent murders and jump scares before Psycho" and to see if there's much out there.
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One particularly violent one: an axe murder in Menilmontant, a silent French film from 1926. Like Hitchcock's shower murder, we never see the weapon connect with the victim's flesh, but the editing and some well-chosen moments of bloodiness create the illusion of brutality.
Yes. I called Arbogast's killing the first jump scare in movies, and I was wrong and writing too fast to think. I suppose it is the first MAJOR jump scare in movies, maybe -- in a big studio film seen by millions. And it is the most "rational" of jump scares.
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I know this is an old thread, but I find the question of the relation between "great horror" and "how scary is it really" to be an interesting one. I love horror but few horror movies actually scare me. I could count on one hand the movies that accomplished such a feat. And those movies tend to not have a lot of gore-- I prefer an atmosphere of paranoia or dread.
As for jump scares, the earliest one in a major movie off the top of my head would be in Cat People from 1942, a small movie that was a surprise hit that year. A woman walking home alone at night thinks she hears a big cat stalking her. The sequence is slow but tense. It's punctuated by a loud bus coming suddenly into the frame. It makes me jump every time because the scene is so well done.
Other 1940s jump scares, though they're not from horror movies exactly: Arsenic and Old Lace, where the villain suddenly emerges from behind a curtain, startling the other characters and the audience, and The Two Mrs. Carrolls, where a crazed Humphrey Bogart suddenly emerges from a window while chasing Barbara Stanwyck (that example prompted startled laughter from me though-- that movie is BAD).
Anyway, somebody out there might want to research "violent murders and jump scares before Psycho" and to see if there's much out there.
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One particularly violent one: an axe murder in Menilmontant, a silent French film from 1926. Like Hitchcock's shower murder, we never see the weapon connect with the victim's flesh, but the editing and some well-chosen moments of bloodiness create the illusion of brutality.
I appreciate the research, Elizabeth Joestar. I couldn't get the link to work for me, but I can imagine the brutality and I suppose that silent films, foreign films(to America's censored system) and "pre-code" American films might just have some shock scenes to rival Psycho. This scene sounds like it.
I would say that SINCE Psycho, the "jump shock" has been an effective way to get audiences to jump and/or scream...and its really become a matter of doing the jump shocks better than average.
When I saw Alien first run/first night in 1979, I don't recall people screaming when the little critter smashed out of John Hurt's chest. (Rather I heard "WHOA!" and groans and "EWW" and even some laughs.) But I DO remember two big "jump shock" moments before and after that point:
ONE: When the creature first smashes out of its egg and onto Hurt's face.
TWO: When ostensible "hero" Captain Tom Skerritt turns on the light in a tunnel
and the alien is right there.(its kind of a Marion Crane thing, though Skerritt goes third, he's still the star.)
There were also at least one shocks with the CAT JUMPING OUT AND SCREECHING, but those are really too easy for screams and should be discounted(no points) and maybe banned. Heh.
That's OK...I've raided some of these thoughts to write my "final" My Psycho is not Your Psycho" piece, but they lead to your very interesting thoughts.
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but I find the question of the relation between "great horror" and "how scary is it really" to be an interesting one. I love horror but few horror movies actually scare me. I could count on one hand the movies that accomplished such a feat. And those movies tend to not have a lot of gore-- I prefer an atmosphere of paranoia or dread.
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Its a hard call for me. Some of this is the old "leaving things from our childhoods behind." At a certain point, I had matured enough to see ANY gory scene for the effects. "Being scared" was replaced with "being excited" (both during the movie, but also in anticipation of it via trailers, and also AFTER seeing the movie as I re-lived favorite scenes.)
As for that atmosphere of paranoia or dread -- you can't beat John Carpenter's The Thing (1982) for the whole mood. Did it SCARE me? No, but it kept me pretty tense, and always very entertained. The thing's physical changes and attacks were, as one critic said, "like abstract art," but to see a man's head disconnect from his body, grow spider legs, and walk out of a room -- was creepy/funny.
Best scene in the movie is where several men are tied to a couch while tests are conducted to see which one is "the thing." The thing reveals himself even as his comrades are still tied on the couch with him! WOW. Not scared. WOW.
Of course, I started seeing these films in my 20s and 30s and I suppose for kids and pre-teens(as I was around Psycho)...The Thing was very terrifying indeed. I enjoy it for the creepy macho-Hawksian entertainment value and claustrophobic setting.
As for jump scares, the earliest one in a major movie off the top of my head would be in Cat People from 1942, a small movie that was a surprise hit that year. A woman walking home alone at night thinks she hears a big cat stalking her. The sequence is slow but tense. It's punctuated by a loud bus coming suddenly into the frame. It makes me jump every time because the scene is so well done.
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Yes...that scene does double duty for "moody suspense" and a jump cut.
I suppose the "big deal" about the Arbogast jump cut is that yes, we jump and scream when Mother comes out the door, but it GOES FARTHER -- usually the jump shock ends with the "victim" alive, but scared. Here the victim is KILLED. The door opening(and screeching violins) are just the start, we scream again when blood is drawn and it is clear that the detective will die.
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Other 1940s jump scares, though they're not from horror movies exactly: Arsenic and Old Lace, where the villain suddenly emerges from behind a curtain, startling the other characters and the audience, and The Two Mrs. Carrolls, where a crazed Humphrey Bogart suddenly emerges from a window while chasing Barbara Stanwyck (that example prompted startled laughter from me though-- that movie is BAD).
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Well, the Bogart one sounds a little funny indeed, but I suppose again, this proves that most of the pre-Psycho jump scares were ONLY scares...the victim survived.
The Hays Code in 1960 had some problems. It could be specific about what WORDS could not be said. It could be specific about what BODY PARTS could not be shown. But as for murder and violence, the phrasing was general, like "the taking of human life shall not be shown cruelly, or lingered upon." Hitchcock's first one, then two, extremely graphic and shocking murders messed with that code EVEN AS they showed less than we thought. Nothing of Arbogast's face when he is on the floor getting finished off, for instance.
And also, everything's relative. I'ved read articles about how 1930s showings of Frankenstein, Dracula and even King Kong set people to screaming...and fainting...and running from the theater.
Psycho just upped the ante for a new generation.
I have not seen the highly praised recent horror shocker like "Hereditary" and perhaps I shall but I feel like horror has passed me by.
Pretty much a "streaming accident" brought a fairly recent film by the once-great M. Shaymalayan(SP?) to my full watch one night and I gotta admit it freaked me out a bit:
The Visit. Two kids are sent by their "dating" single mother, to spend a winter week with their grandparents -- who turn out to be people who warn the kids "don't come out of your rooms at night." For the grandparents become very scary and freaky people then (with Grandma, a stray strain of Mrs. Bates is apparent.) A twist arrives near the end that was just "real" enough to spook me, as well as something really gut-churning that grandpa does(yet another example of turning my stomach rather than scaring my mind.) I can't recommend the movie as "great" but it was unsettling. The idea of children being dropped off with grandparents who -- as a "baseline" -- are too elderly and crotchety to be good care givers -- is "real" enough to disturb. Then the movie goes elsewhere. OK. It scared me a little.
I would say that SINCE Psycho, the "jump shock" has been an effective way to get audiences to jump and/or scream...and its really become a matter of doing the jump shocks better than average.
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It just sucks that so many movies since the 80s have over-relied on jump scares. The startle response can be effective if sparingly used, but some just use it as a cheap mechanism.
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When I saw Alien first run/first night in 1979, I don't recall people screaming when the little critter smashed out of John Hurt's chest. (Rather I heard "WHOA!" and groans and "EWW" and even some laughs.) But I DO remember two big "jump shock" moments before and after that point:
ONE: When the creature first smashes out of its egg and onto Hurt's face.
TWO: When ostensible "hero" Captain Tom Skerritt turns on the light in a tunnel
and the alien is right there.(its kind of a Marion Crane thing, though Skerritt goes third, he's still the star.)
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I didn't have the luck to see that movie in a theater, but alone, on TV, in the dark, those scenes still shock. That movie can be so intense, especially the ending.
Actually, it's funny-- I was freaked out by Alien before I ever saw the movie. I first encountered it on the (sadly now closed) Great Movie Ride at Disney World. A section of the ride took guests through the Nostromo-- you hear sirens wailing, the air becomes frigid, you see a realistic animatronic of Ripley shuddering with a weapon clutched to her chest... and then the lights flicker and in the moments of brief illumination, you see the xenomorph lunging at you, all slimy and gross. It scared me terribly as a small child and some of that dread comes back whenever I watch the movie.
As for that atmosphere of paranoia or dread -- you can't beat John Carpenter's The Thing (1982) for the whole mood. Did it SCARE me? No, but it kept me pretty tense, and always very entertained. The thing's physical changes and attacks were, as one critic said, "like abstract art," but to see a man's head disconnect from his body, grow spider legs, and walk out of a room -- was creepy/funny.
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That's one of the few movies that truly frightened me. First saw it on DVD a few years ago. The dog scene is gross and awful, but the scenes that stick are the moments of mistrust between these men and the utter isolation they experience. I love watching that one in October-- a true classic of horror.
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I suppose the "big deal" about the Arbogast jump cut is that yes, we jump and scream when Mother comes out the door, but it GOES FARTHER -- usually the jump shock ends with the "victim" alive, but scared. Here the victim is KILLED. The door opening(and screeching violins) are just the start, we scream again when blood is drawn and it is clear that the detective will die.
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Yes, that's why that jump is still so good. It's lethal. No survivors. My mom and I watch Psycho together often (it's the only horror movie she'll touch) and she always tenses up the moment Arbogast mounts the stairs.
It reminds me of this great video essay about the jump in Wait Until Dark-- though the results of that scare aren't lethal, it isn't a "fakeout" scare (just a cat or just someone doing something innocent being misinterpreted by the main character)-- the villain intends to kill his victim. The shock isn't as cheap as usual. (Here's the video, if you're curious-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBVwnt7OxIw)
Damn, in the hands of better filmmakers, the jump scare can be good or earned. I mean, if I'm still tense when Arbogast mounts the stairs even though I've seen that movie over a dozen times, Hitchcock was doing something right.
It's all in how storytellers use their tools and how often.
And also, everything's relative. I'ved read articles about how 1930s showings of Frankenstein, Dracula and even King Kong set people to screaming...and fainting...and running from the theater.
Psycho just upped the ante for a new generation.
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I love reading accounts of how Frankenstein freaked people out. Apparently the scene with Karloff in the bride's bedroom, stalking her while she's unaware of his presence, really got to people in 1931.
The 1925 Phantom of the Opera actually had people screaming when Christine removed the Phantom's mask, revealing his corpse-like visage. The sudden revelation seemed to have all the impact of a traditional jump scare.
Another thing to consider: the makeup on the Phantom or Frankenstein's monster were not as familiar to the audiences then as they have become now. Karloff looks gaunt and corpse-like in the first Frankenstein movie, long before the era of endless zombie movies and graphic depictions of decaying bodies. He probably freaked audiences out on a more visceral level, even if they also pitied him.
Pretty much a "streaming accident" brought a fairly recent film by the once-great M. Shaymalayan(SP?) to my full watch one night and I gotta admit it freaked me out a bit:
The Visit. Two kids are sent by their "dating" single mother, to spend a winter week with their grandparents -- who turn out to be people who warn the kids "don't come out of your rooms at night." For the grandparents become very scary and freaky people then (with Grandma, a stray strain of Mrs. Bates is apparent.) A twist arrives near the end that was just "real" enough to spook me, as well as something really gut-churning that grandpa does(yet another example of turning my stomach rather than scaring my mind.) I can't recommend the movie as "great" but it was unsettling. The idea of children being dropped off with grandparents who -- as a "baseline" -- are too elderly and crotchety to be good care givers -- is "real" enough to disturb. Then the movie goes elsewhere. OK. It scared me a little.
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Have not seen that one, but you hit the nail on the head with saying "real" horror tends to get under the skin better than the purely fantastical. Serial killers, abusive parents, body horror-- that's all real and therefore pretty terrifying.
That's why Hereditary (mostly) works-- the scariest scenes are the ones with these traumatized family members just lashing out at each other. The atmosphere is dreadful and intense... until the supernatural reveal, which I thought ruined the movie... but that's just me. I should probably watch it again.
Even movies with supernatural elements like The Witch or The Shining are more scary when focusing on the real horror-- abusive fathers and/or mothers, a sense of isolation, a sense of helplessness. (One exception: the old hag in the bathtub in The Shining. Saw the movie at 21 or 22, yet that made it hard for me to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. I had to make sure the shower curtain was pulled aside for like a week. Embarassing, but oh well lol.)
Have not seen that one, but you hit the nail on the head with saying "real" horror tends to get under the skin better than the purely fantastical. Serial killers, abusive parents, body horror-- that's all real and therefore pretty terrifying.
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Yes. I'm starting to "re-think" this "movies don't scare me" contention of mine. I know that I still jump at jump scares if I don't know them in advance. And I know that I generally and simply DON'T GO to movies that sound disturbing in their reviews. Perhaps they WOULD bother me if I saw them. The reveals near the end of The Visit were disturbing.
Frenzy is not as famous as Psycho, but I think it joined with Psycho in telling us: there are REAL people in this world, living among us, who are insane and driven to kill just for the sake of killing. Norman Bates and even Bob Rusk were "cleaned up" versions of these people, but we know that in real life they WERE real people and they really WERE that crazy. Ed Gein, Richard Speck, Charles Whitman , the Son of Sam, Ed Kemper, Jeffrey Dahmer, The Night Stalker, Ted Bundy...real. And horrible. And among us.
I've tended not to watch documentaries or dramatizations of those killers' exploits. I don't wish to honor the depths of their depravity and there is nothing inherently entertaining about them. Hitchcock with his restraint found ways to channel homicidal mania into entertainment packages with Psycho(the haunted house) and Frenzy(the wrong man plot.)
And this: it remains a matter of some comfort that these real life serial killers seem to be totally aberrational: perhaps one tenth of one percent of the general population. Psycho and Frenzy(and Silence of the Lambs and Se7en) brought these types into our lives but reminded us that they are "one in a million." Thank God.
That's why Hereditary (mostly) works-- the scariest scenes are the ones with these traumatized family members just lashing out at each other. The atmosphere is dreadful and intense... until the supernatural reveal, which I thought ruined the movie... but that's just me. I should probably watch it again.
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Hereditary comes up quite a bit around here(from swanstep, among others) and I must make a point of watching it. Its always popping up on streaming.
Again: I might just find out that certain movies CAN scare me. I mean, truth be told, both Psycho and Jaws pulled just enough punches to be palatable for general audiences. As Anthony Perkins said of Psycho at Hitchcock's AFI salute: the difference between Psycho and other blood and guts horror movies is that the audience ENJOYS Psycho.
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Even movies with supernatural elements like The Witch or The Shining are more scary when focusing on the real horror-- abusive fathers and/or mothers, a sense of isolation, a sense of helplessness. (One exception: the old hag in the bathtub in The Shining. Saw the movie at 21 or 22, yet that made it hard for me to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. I had to make sure the shower curtain was pulled aside for like a week. Embarassing, but oh well lol.)
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Nothing to be embarrassed about. Hitchcock said that Psycho would be more scary to people AFTER they saw it...when they were home, alone, in the dark. Or maybe in the shower. Or maybe climbing the staris.
I like The Shining a lot more now then I did when I saw it in 1980. But I do recall the gut-churn of a beautiful young nude woman in Nicholson's arms, laying a lip lock on him...suddenly becoming an old woman. And not just ANY old woman -- her back was rotted out and decayed, an eye was missing(?). Did it scare me? No. Did it gross me out? Yes. And it forced me to consider -- at a fairly young age -- how the sexuality of young flesh eventually yields to age. Getting older myself today, I think the good news is that one GRADUALLY ages and GRADUALLY gives up the sexuality...its not quite the shock of that broad in The Shining.