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Clarence Darrow was a hypocrite


I will not try to pass myself off as an expert on Darrow's life, but from what I have seen he was a bit of a hypocrite. This disappoints me because I agree with him on most social issues. From what I have seen and read, he used the argument that knowledge should never be impeded during the Scopes trial. This was because he opposed narrow-minded religious types that did not want the spread of Darwinism or other controversial ideas. However, during his other most famous trial, the murder trial of Leopold and Loeb, he used the reverse argument. He argued that they did not deserve the death penalty because of two main points. One of his two points I can agree with, which is that they had mental problems from birth and deserved life in prison instead of the death penalty. His second point however, is that the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche pushed the boys towards killing, and therefore they were not responsible for their actions. His second tactic seems diametrically opposed his views in the Scopes trial, and that is what bothers me. How can he argue that nothing should impede the flow of knowledge in one trial, and then blame Friedrich Nietzsche for murders in another? I do not disagree with any of his views, but I do disagree with the ways he defended them.

Like a monkey ready to be shot into space...

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Let's face it, educated men aren't necessarily smart, and that can be especially said for lawyers because they'll say anything to win a case no matter who or what it contradicts.

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"How can he argue that nothing should impede the flow of knowledge in one trial, and then blame Friedrich Nietzsche for murders in another?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb
During the 12-hour hearing on the final day, Darrow gave a speech, which has been called the finest of his career. The speech included: "this terrible crime was inherent in his organism, and it came from some ancestor … Is any blame attached because somebody took Nietzsche’s philosophy seriously and fashioned his life upon it? … it is hardly fair to hang a 19-year-old boy for the philosophy that was taught him at the university."

It does not appear that Darrow was impeding any knowledge or theories.

He simply added Nietzsche together with Freud's Id/Ego theory of 1923 which states the id "contains everything that is inherited, that is present at birth, that is laid down in the constitution -- above all, therefore, the instincts, which originate from the somatic organisation and which find a first phsychical expression here (in the id) in forms unknown to us."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego

If someting else is always to blame, nothing is to blame.
Darrow was consistent, using every piece of evolutionist tripe in the books to get two child-murderers spared from execution.

By all accounts, Bryan was or had been an opponent of the death penalty. He is the person who needed to resolve some contradictions.

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Wiki’s link on the two boys seem to suggest novastar was wrong. Loeb was the youngest graduate in the University of Michigan (at least at the time) and Leopold was an amateur ornithologist and spoke five languages.

But whatever they were, they certainly weren’t very good philosophers or seem to understand Nietzsche. If anything they acted much alike the nihilists or those indifferent to values that he warned about (just like the German nihilists in the ‘Big Lebowski’ film). The ‘Nietzschean supermen’ wouldn’t base himself by killing anyone for money, nor think it is right to do so. At the most, Nietzsche was probably a vague justification; I’d imagine the boys were already at the point of murder, full of hubris and *beep*

I think his argument came down to that the boys weren’t capable of knowing right from wrong and this was compounded by what they were taught a theory to reject any attempt to do so at university. Not Nietzsche or ‘education’ at fault, the boys were apparently incapable of knowing right from wrong. I think this is utter crap, but the right judgement was made, capital punishment is wrong regardless.

Darrow was consistant, but like all lawyers he would BS to get the desired result. This case is a lot more intresting then the Scopes trial because it isn't a clear cut case of right vs. wrong and no intelligent person today would dispute that evolution should be taught. Thank the nonexistent God that he was on our side.

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well, you are forgetting 1 major detail.
he was a defence attourney. no *beep* he was a hypocrite.
the end.

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It's not the job of a lawyer to explain their personal view on life. The lawyer's only job is to argue for their side. There's nothing at all wrong with a lawyer arguing one way in one case and another way in another case, so long as the arguments serve the needs of his clients in each case.

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But it's interesting that he was willing to destroy a lifelong friend (Bryan) to advance his case.

And consider that he probably realized that Bryan's testimony wasn't going to affect the outcome of the trial anyway.

A great lawyer, but a highly questionable human being.

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Was it Darrow's intent to "destroy" Bryan? It is clear that he intended to destroy the idea that religious views should be imposed on public education. So it was necessary to discredit Bryan's views. But that is not the same thing.

Bryan's downfall beyond that was self-inflicted, I think.

Oh, my God! They're turkeys!

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"It's not the job of a lawyer to explain their personal view on life. The lawyer's only job is to argue for their side. There's nothing at all wrong with a lawyer arguing one way in one case and another way in another case, so long as the arguments serve the needs of his clients in each case.
It's not the job of a lawyer to explain their personal view on life. The lawyer's only job is to argue for their side. There's nothing at all wrong with a lawyer arguing one way in one case and another way in another case, so long as the arguments serve the needs of his clients in each case."

What most people don't understand was that Darrow horned in on this case expressly because of his own personal view on life. He was an atheist disguised as an agnostic and he learned to hate religious institutions from his atheistic father.

The Butler Act was passed in Tennessee banning the teaching of evolution in Tennessee schools. The then relatively new A.C.L.U. wanted to challenge the law and actually advertised for a school teacher in Tennessee willing to break the law. Learning of this, businessmen in Dayton, Tennessee beat other Tennessee hamlets by filing charges against Scopes before another city could. Their motive was to stimulate the local economy.

The A.C.L.U.'s concern wasn't about whether evolution was true or not. It's concern was whether the majority (Tennessee taxpayers) could dictate what should or should not be taught in their schools.

Darrow who was already preeminent more or less forced his way onto the case to make it a fight against fundamentalist beliefs. Coming off his "success" in the Loeb Leopold trial the A.C.L.U. could scarcely turn him down. Actually virtually every major player in this case was in it for their own agendas.

Furthermore, Darrow didn't truly serve the needs of his client. After he questioned Bryan and the trial reached a point where Bryan was going to get his chance to go back at Darrow, he simply ended the trial by admitting that his client was guilty ending the proceedings thus denying Bryan the opportunity to make his closing argument.

At least at that time, the A.C.L.U. would probably have been just as eager to fight for an individual's right to practice their religion than they would be to defend science per se. They were then (still?) all about individual rights.

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John Scopes volunteered to break the law knowing full well that he would go to trial and likely be found guilty so perhaps it isn't entirely fair to say that he didn't serve the needs of his client. His client got pretty much what he expected of the proceedings.

You are obviously very interested in the Scopes Monkey Trial I suggest that you read "Summer for the Gods", the 1998 Pulitzer Prize for History winning before, during and after trial account by Edward J. Larson. The book is as close to an unbiased review of the facts as possible.

I'm not suggesting that the book refutes evolution, in fact the author believes in it. It is a fascinating look at the famous case.

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I don't accept that that's a contradiction. I think you're peddling a logical fallacy here.

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