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right wing, lol

posted 21 years ago by ProdigySportsman
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The highlight reviewer states that it is "painfully patriotic with speeches about truth , freedom and what a great country America is." Why would it be than when someone brings up truth and freedom they are bad or wrong. I don't need to hear "America is great" to know it is true, I have witnessed it. I saw this movie when I was like 10 so it is foggy. The battle scene was great as for the heroics that did take place. These men weren't Americnas fighting for the US but Texans fighting to protect their home and family. The story of the Alamo is one the greatest example of group bravery in the face of adversity the world has ever seen. I am 6th generation Scottish immigrants, the Kirkpatricks (the Scottish Kirkpatrick's) and Buchanan's and Theo Robertson should move his liberal ass off that island and move to Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, or even Canada where your socialist and communist crap is appreciated and blindly accepted. The men Alamo were a more contemporary William Wallace, Robert the Bruce, and Rob Roy McGregor and stood for freedom and honor. And FYI ignorant one, the "American Republican party" was NOT conservative party until Reagan in 1980, it was the Democrats (which resided mainly in the South).

[–] TorontoJediMaster 21 years ago

Hey *beep*,

Canada is neither a socialist or a communist country. We're a parliamentary democracy where people have a right to criticize the government without fear of being pilloried or having their patriotism questioned.

We also were fighting and dying in both world wars while Americans were doing their best not to get involved in true fights for freedom.

As well, we've never lied to the world about fictional weapons of mass destruction to start a war due to one leader's personal grudge against another leader.

[–] bernhard-pucher 21 years ago

The use of Socialism in the US has a negative connotation, because thats what the Soviet Union described itself to be.

what they are forgetting that Europe, and Canada, are Socialist countries, but Democratic.

the funny thing is, the US is a Socialist country too! it has all the fundamental government functions that make up a Socialist Government. the only difference is, the US is the only socialist country that is not trying to be one.

Americans like the schmuck ProdigySportsman are hypocrites.

[–] Theo Robertson 21 years ago

Sorry ProdigySportsman but this IS a painfully right-wing movie full of naive jingoism made at the time when people were being thrown into American prisons for being suspected communists . If being a liberal means not lying to Joe McCarthy`s commitees in order to see friends and colleages jailed then I`m a liberal

I`m sure that John Wayne and Dubya would have got on very well and would have thought THE GREEN BERETS was a fly on the wall documentary

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[–] foster1234 15 years ago

Paragraph one:

We have had those rights since before you became part of the British Commonwealth

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Because you were sheep of the British

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This is the same anti G W Bullcrap we get here (Based on CRAP) TRY to be original. Even Saddam admitted he lied about having WMDs to the world, and EVERBODY, and EVERY GOVT. believed it including yours for 8 yrs previous to GW finally doing something about it

Drink more KoolAid Nimrod

It behooves the Jews and Arabs to settle their differences in a Christian manner

[–] marktayloruk 10 years ago

Canada not socialist per se but very PC with a lot less free speech than America.

[–] silvercometred1 8 years ago

I like Canada.

[–] mikeos3 8 years ago

me too, but lord, they do have a lot of rules!

[–] edmar_mota 21 years ago

Sorry Prodigy Sportsman but the TRUTH is they were mercenary american soldiers, fighting a battle with only a bunch of true texans. None of them were Texans because that name implies that they born in Texas as a free sovereign state...none of them (aside the Mexicans) were ever born in the soil of Tejas-Coahuila state. So none of them were "texans". They never REALLY want freedom as you think...they only want to be a separate state from Mexico because that implies that they can make their own constitution, so they can have slaves in their lands, and free trade with the U.S. and of course don´t be catholic.

[–] coy_dog0 20 years ago

Since you've decided to not only insult my country, but also drag down the name of a political system with it, I'd like you to define Socialism, and then tell me what's 'crap' about it, and then tell me what YOUR suggestion is for how to run a country.

Before you suggest 'capitilism' as a solution, take a drive down to your local American Ghetto, and YOU tell me if it's working.

I didn't think so.

-coy_dog0

[–] legolas_lord_of_mirkwood 20 years ago

I think that most people are missing the forest for the trees in this argument. Yes, the movie the Alamo is filled with uber-American jingoism. Sure, quite a few people believe the west was stolen from Mexico. Then why is it then that millions of people are fighting and dying to become apart of our country. I'm first generation born in America, and I am proud. Sure, our leaders can be greedy bastards, capitalism may not be perfect, but neither is communism. Why is it so wrong for Americans to have heros, or an epic story blown out of proportion and context. There's nothing wrong with Americans or America, that doesn't mean we shouldn't question our leaders. That's patriotism to uphold the core values, the American ideal. That's why my family came here, they believed in the dream. They didn't care that our founding fathers may have been slave owning bastards. The beauty of america is that people from every part of the globe came here with that dream in their hearts. I believe that is what an American is. American's are asked everyday to be respectful of other people's culture, and with good reason. Why can't we defend our own icons, and be proud of who we are. Why can't our culture be respected?

[–] Highice007 20 years ago

If the Americans stole the west from Mexico, then could you not say that Mexico stole it from Spain first? Or that the Spanish stole it from the Aztec nation before that. If the Japanese had won at midway and eventually defeated the US Germany would have taken Texas as part of there half of the conquest. But would you say that the germans stole the country? Land passes hands often in life so I'm tired of hearing of how that Americans are always robbing other people land. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Western Europe, like the blood thirsty french and there colonies in Asia (1880's-1950's) on the Dutch fighting and murdering innocents for there corporate interest in Africa. Im from Texas, and not really patriotic about my state, but I do note the bravery of the men in the fort who died for something they believed in. And for some to say they we re not Texans because they were not bore here is like saying that Americans who were fighting the British in the Revolutionary War were not Americans because they were not born here. Remember many people fighting against the British in the American Revolution were bore in Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and England.

[–] ProdigySportsman 20 years ago

good logic and facts. props.

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[–] rudeboy8080 15 years ago

I love that corny scene where a black man lets a Mexican kill him so a white guy can live! LOL!

[–] cyarwood 15 years ago

It's a shame that this movie created such intense arguments about politics. But I'll add: I do think that if a person died in Texas in the way that the Alamo heroes did, he deserves to be called a Texan.

[–] linop90 12 years ago

Because... besides Car and music.. the US doesnt have any culture.
Its basically just a bunch of tranplanted Europeans.
With some fake plastic patriotism to make Americans think they are something unique.

Be proud of what you really are, your real heritage.

Eat the Neocons.

[–] nammage 8 years ago

No love for the Africans or Asians here? Just Europeans, huh?

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

[–] photoe 15 years ago

I've been reading up on the history of the Texian revolution, and that's what it was, a revolution. The Spanish and their Mexican descendants were not angels. Texas was a largely empty area being settled by mexicans, but then largely by Americans. The Texians revolted for the same reason the first American colonists did, tarriffs, garrisonning of criminal soldiers (something we might remember as we send some of ours overseas), and being ordered what crops to cultivate. The Texians were engaged in a legitimate revolution against a distant dictator, so let's drop the poor Mexican pity party. We're not talking Mexican peasants here, we're talking Spanish-descended oligarchs. Most Mexican families stayed and prospered in the USA instead of migrating to Mexico, a country of little justice and equality that we have decided to follow down the drain with NAFTA.

John Wayne was a representative of a post-WWII arrogant jingoism that had us bury 50k plus of our own in Vietnam and continues today.
Unfortunately, right-wingers have been drinking the koolaid for so long now, they think people in 'socialist' countries live worse than us (they live better), and ignore that the USA is also socialist in many ways - police, fire, military, roads.

John Wayne seems more clownish as I get older, but he had some fairly anti-establishment angles as well, so he shouldn't be tarred too easily.

This movie has a spectacular finale, but its kind of a bore otherwise. Widmark helps a lot as always, but his character isn't given much to do with. Also, too much standing openly in the line of fire, for god's sake. DUCK!

[–] sawyertom 14 years ago

And leftwingers aren't koolaid drinkers? Give me a friggin break! they're the biggest bunch of control freaks ever.

[–] dalbrech 9 years ago

The real problem with the patriotic speeches is they get boring after a while.
For me,it's not a political issue but a artistic one. Wayne,a s a director forgot a basic rule of filmmaking:Don't Tell,Show.

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