The cropduster scene


I thought this movie was pretty intelligent and kind of believable right up to the cropduster scene.

So your target is in position in the middle of the desert, miles from any witnesses. What do you do?

A) Send a couple of thugs there in a car and do a quick drive-by shooting
B) Attempt to eliminate the target by shooting at him from a cropduster plane. Hire the worst pilot you can find, so he will miss his target every time, and eventually crash into a gigantic stationary truck that he should have seen from a mile away.


The final scene on Mt. Rushmore was pretty ridiculous as well.

Other than these two scenes, the movie was quite nice, but altogether i think it got ruined.

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You're not thinking of film art . . . of advancing a filmic story through metaphor . . . the cropduster scene is the most significant . . marvelous film making . . . but one must analyze the implications of what the scene is rendering over to the audience . . . it's great!

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These thugs made a lot of mistakes. These are the same guys (or at least one of them is that I know of) who assumed Thornhill was Kaplan just because he was trying to send a wire to his mother while Kaplan was being paged. Intelligent people try to get more proof than that. Their mistakes got themselves killed.


Mag, Darling, you're being a bore.

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No . . . you don't understand . . . they had to be sacrificed . . .

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Oh, okay. It was time for someone else in this thriller to die.


Mag, Darling, you're being a bore.

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The Avenging Angel had done his duty and was now no longer needed . . . and so he evaporates into flames . . .

Don't take everything so literally . . .

That crop-duster scene is one of the best ever done--metaphorically or literally!

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 You intentionally speak in code so it's hard to take what you say literally.

That crop-duster scene is one of the best ever done--metaphorically or literally!

I never disputed that.


Mag, Darling, you're being a bore.

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In footage that was deleted, it was shown that the pilot was played by Robert Ellenstein, Adam Williams' cohort in earlier scenes. That's why Ellenstein is no longer in the movie after the cropduster scene.

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The crop-duster scene was a divine warning to Thornhill (or Jack Phillips, or whoever he really is) . . . they had no intentions of killing him . . . if they had wanted him dead . . . he'd be dead . . . superb film work!

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For a gang of international criminals, they were all pretty dumb.

Poorly Lived and Poorly Died, Poorly Buried and No One Cried

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Well this film wasn't meant to be "kind of believable" or take itself seriously at all, so more fool you.

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This scene was a direct homage IMHO to Lewis Milestone's All Quiet on the Western Front.

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All Quiet on the Western Front is a movie I loved but have seen just one time... I don't remember what scene it could be an homage to.

Care to enlighten me?

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It's been a while for me as well, but to build suspense, just before the heartbreaking climax, director Milestone has the hero look up and the plane buzzes and goes from left to right on the screen--then all hell breaks loose. In North by Northwest, Hitchcock build suspense as the hero looks up, the plane buzzes, goes from left to right on the screen, and all hell breaks loose.

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The suspense for the plane scene starts way before that. This scene was used for so many film classes just because it's easy to see how Hitch combined a shot list and blocking. Somewhere out there is the storyboard and drawing of the shot list for this scene, pretty cool.

The shots you're describing are pretty common. It's the camera work that wasn't common is what made Hitchcock stand out. Transition shots for this time period had a pretty set mechanics beyond the script, so that the camera guys would know what to shoot, kind of knowing what the editors would need. Not so much for the money shot, but like transitions. Look at movies where characters get out of a car and move to a doorway. They rarely show them with one cam and no cuts, getting out, walking to the door and going in. They always seemed to use close to the same series of medium and long shots with 3 or 4 cuts. This (how to get the actor from the car to the door) kept the story going and saved time - it was predictable for the crew and the editor. Hitchcock's shots weren't predictable like that. Again, in NBNW the scene at the end where the two characters were escaping the airplane, in the car, and get stopped by the locked gate. Just from normal shot standards there should have been 6 or 7 cuts on this scene. Instead, Hitch wasted a lot of time never cutting the actors from the car to the gate, cutting between them to show the approaching bad guys - building suspense, just like the early plane scene. Seems simple now, but other film makers at the time were watching Hitchcock films and going back to the drawing board about how to do things.

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Learn about the Rule of Cool:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool

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But damn if it don't make great cinema.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p31aGy_jD3E&t=1m22s

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You dont get it..

Logic is dull.

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