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Possible goof_use of 'black hole'


When the Vicki character shrugs off Louis, (after the lawyer Farrell is jailed) she tells him she´d like to find a "black hole" to throw him in with all his cronies so that they will dissappear, or something to that effect. (watching on TCM, sorry, can´t replay this line) However the plot is dated in the 20´s or early 30´s, I pressume that the theory of black holes was not popularly known and understood at that time, and even if so, not in those exact words. Anybody alive at the time who can vouch for this?

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The term was not used in the sense of an astronomical phenomenon. It was intended simply to mean a "terrible place."

Research the infamous "Black Hole of Calcutta" (of 1756) for an example of this use of the term.

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I agree. Even when this film was made, "black hole" was certainly not a term used by any non-physicist. Even though the existence of these objects was postulated as a mathematical "solution" to some physics problems, it wasn't until the 1960s that they were seriously regarded as a physical reality.

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I'm always amazed by people's willingness to indulge in uninformed speculation on discussion boards when the actual facts are just a few mouse-clicks away. The facts are these: The possibility of black holes was first envisioned--though not under that name--by British and French scientists in the late eighteenth century, specifically by British geologist John Michell in 1783, and by French astronomer and mathematician Pierre-Simon Laplace in 1796. In 1939 the hypothesis reappeared, this time with much more detailed mathematical support, in work by American physicist Robert Oppenheimer and others; and the concept was steadily developed in the following decades. The specific term "black hole", however, wasn't created until 1964 or perhaps a little earlier (it emerged from physics circles, with the coiner remaining unknown to this day), and it didn't appear in a public statement until American physicist John Archibald Wheeler used it in a lecture in 1967.

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Irrelevant. It's perfectly obvious that she simply meant 'a dark deep place'. The original question is just silly.

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lotsofwordz: My April 3rd post was not "irrelevant". It was quite relevant, because it was taking one important viable approach to proving to marche1choripan and smokehill retrievers that Vicki in Party Girl (1958) couldn't possibly have meant "black hole" in the astronomical sense.

Your way of proving the point is merely to say "It's perfectly obvious that she simply meant 'a dark deep place'". That's all very nice, but not everybody is going to automatically agree with you. Whether we like it or not, what's "perfectly obvious" to one person isn't always perfectly obvious to another. Therefore, other avenues of proof can be helpful. I was taking one of those other avenues.

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She just meant a dark, horrible place, and was not speaking astronomically. And yes, the term "black hole" was in use in the early 1930s, and long, long before, to mean just that. Ever hear of "the Black Hole of Calcutta"? The term black hole, referring to a miserable, dark pit, goes back to the mid-18th century.

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