Yeah I know, there is a separate section for goofs but what are some that you guys (or gals) noticed?
Here are some that I noticed.
At the cave where our heroes meet the giant spider, John Borden fires eight shots from a six-shooter without reloading.
When our heroes first meet the cavemen, one is shot and falls on his back. Yet Borden turns him over so they can see his face.
Oh, yes; the nature of the damage to the gun that the tunnelites make would more likely be caused by an obstruction in the barrel rather than the metal being weak. If it had been the metal being weak, the frame and cylinder would have been the parts to fail.
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How about fire in outer space? (Time-traveling through same.)
The mutate they kick over is obviously a rag doll/scarecrow/dummy. (Although at least they gave him a Christian burial, judging by the cross placed upon that pile of rocks they covered him with.)
No debris or wreckage of anything, anywhere. I'd like to think the new post-atomic world would look that way, clean and everything, but...no way.
Plot point: once they ran out of bazooka rockets, how would they get back for more with nothing to defend themselves with? (Oh, silly me, I forgot those 50-cylinder six-shooters.)
That's all that occurs now...
BTW, I assume you've seen GIANT (Rock Hudson, Liz Taylor, James Dean; also 1956)? You remember the character called "Sarge", who ran the diner they stop at near the film's end, where he and Rock get into a fight because Sarge refuses to serve Mexicans? Sarge was played by a tough heavy named Mickey Simpson -- who later that year starred as.........Naga!
Who also refused to serve Mexicans. Eat them, maybe.
When our heroes were still safely inside XRM the light coming in from the portholes on both sides was equally bright. This was impossible, as the sun could not be in two places at once. Also, we get a very brief glimpse of blue sky through one of portholes as they are starting through the time displacement. If there was no atmosphere, the sky would be almost jet-black, not blue.
Yeah, the same thing, but much, much worse, happens in QUEEN OF OUTER SPACE, which of course used many stock shots from WWE and was directed by the same guy, Ed Bernds. Only in QOOS, ALL the interior shots of the (same) spaceship showed a bright blue sky outside, deep in outer space, wherein dwelt the aforementioned queen.
To be accurate, while the exterior shots of the ship in QOOS are lifted from WWE (including the flying-through-fire-in-space sequences: this time caused by ray gun blasts from Venus), the interiors are different, although it may be the same set, rearranged and with different furniture. But the instrument panel is identical; in fact, the "space speed indicator" is not only identical, every shot of it is also lifted from WWE -- you never actually see it in a QOOS shot. Now how much money did they save not re-filming that indicator (not to mention having to get a special guy to come in and bend the needle the same way)? QOOS also re-used the attacking pillow spiders, again including some recycled WWE shots.
On the other hand, for a non-goof aspect, I thought the depiction of Mars from orbit was pretty good, even down to showing differing topography, not just a smooth, round painted ball, but mountain ranges, craters, and so on.
"XRM" was just Bernds's unimaginative rip-off of the RXM in 1950's pioneer sci-fi opus, ROCKETSHIP X-M. But besides a lack of originality, maybe Bernds thought that starting the name with X might conjure up the X series of supersonic aircraft (X-1, the later X-15, etc.) then so prominent.
Where was the bathroom on the XRM? In the unseen back, where all their cold-weather clothes and baseball caps were stored, just in case they broke the time barrier? I suppose they were also supplied with guns because someone in whatever space agency existed on "the 17th day of March, 1957" had a moral objection to providing suicide pills?
Say -- is there any significance to the fact that they took off on St. Patrick's Day? That could explain the guns and John Deere hats. They were all loaded at the time.
Quite observant, Earthman. Even more so when one considers that Fredric March financed his way through the AADA selling Mars bars. He begged Bernds for the role of Timmek, but had to settle for playing Mutate No. 3 instead (the one with the rock).
<Plot point: once they ran out of bazooka rockets, how would they get back for more with nothing to defend themselves with?>
Actually, the only one who didn't have the bazooka rockets was Jaffee. I think Borden sent him back primarily to take the prisoner back and have Deena to question him. Witness Borden's instructions to Henry "Then load up on Ammo and come on back." I'll check and make certain on this point, however.
<(Oh, silly me, I forgot those 50-cylinder six-shooters.)>
Point one: don't bother to check, g. You're right as usual.
Point two: obviously, you're not up on 26th century weaponry and its attendant new math. Besides, in a lot of old westerns and things didn't people just keep firing without reloading until they ran out of sound effects?
<Point two: obviously, you're not up on 26th century weaponry and its attendant new math. Besides, in a lot of old westerns and things didn't people just keep firing without reloading until they ran out of sound effects?>
Good point, Mr Hob. In fact, in one comedy spoof of a Western, one of the bad guys in a gunfight asked his opponent how he just got eight shots out of a six-shot revolver. In case you didn't know, the old Colt Peacemakers were in effect five shooters, as it was customary to carry the old Colt on an empty chamber. They did not have a hammer-block safety that Colt's later employed in their modern revolvers, to prevent accidental discharge if the gun were dropped on its' hammer. Smith & Wesson followed suit a little later.
You know what? I actually did know that about the Colt. Even I'm surprised about that. Occasionally something penetrates the cocoon! Not quite the total nitwit I profess to be on various subjects.
Now, Hob, that's unfair: I never said that you were a total nitwit.
Here's another goof (well, a maybe goof, anyway). Remember when our heroes were orbiting Mars? They photo-mapped the Red Planet at 20,000 and 30,000 feet. Well, here's what I think might have been a goof: that is less than four miles and six miles up respectively. Even allowing for the greatly reduced atmospheric density of Mars, wouldn't the drag produced, heat XRM's hull above the 'danger point' that Jaffee I believe, mentioned when they were passing through the time-warp? And on that point, if they were in inter-planetary space, they would be in a near-total vacuum, so what would cause the hull to heat up?
Yes, a very good point about their distance above the surface of Mars. (And why the different levels between their equatorial and pole-to-pole orbital heights anyway?)
But as to what would cause the hull to heat up in the vacuum of space, why, it's so obvious as to be laughable. It was all those flames they passed through, of course. An outer-space fire! Probably the same one that lit the Van Allen radiation belt in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Jeez, I mean, for Pete's sake, Gary, let's get a little real here. Talk about me being a nitwit!
When our heroes see the cemetery, the wooden crosses marking a few of the graves look brand new. If they were 200 years or more old, they would be in very bad shape. In fact, it is doubtful that they would even be still standing.
Just watched WWE today and something else stood out.
The mutates are supposed to be a Stone Age society, right? Did anyone else notice that while Naga's axe is made of stone, that many of the spears the mutates were throwing at our heroes had metal tips?
That is another thing: soldiers in the ancient world did not typically throw their spears. They used them much like soldiers of our times use bayonets. In fact, it would not surprise me in the least to find out that much of the modern bayonet training is derived from ancient spear-training.
Naga clung hopelessly to the old ways, so it's not surprising he refused to get a new ax made of what the caveman in the first color episode of Superman referred to as "MEH-tul".
Such an advanced ax could've made all the difference in his fight with Borden, who in any case was primarily concerned with reestablishing his family's 20th-century dairy monopoly.
Not only did the spears have metal tips, but their staffs looked very smooth and professionally manufactured. Again, contrast this with Naga's rough-hewn ax handle. Definitely a throwback to "the ancient world". But then, as Dr. Galbraith told Borden, "In a fight like this the savage has the advantage", even up against a MEH-tul knife. After all, as Galbraith well knew, Charlton Heston had a similar savage advantage in The Savage, as did Clara Bow in Call Her Savage, though she made the fatal mistake of using Arrow shirts as ammunition for her Bow.
But I've got another goof for you: after the Underground People repeatedly fail to make a gun that doesn't explode in your face, the boys hit upon the idea of using the bazooka, and Borden adds, "We'd have to give up on the firearms, but I think it's worth it." So how come they're carrying firearms when they go out mutate-hunting? Okay, assume they're their old guns -- except they now have four, and since Borden had lost his in his fight with the mutate before they found the UPs' cave, where did the extra gun come from? But in any case, they didn't have enough old ammo left, so the UP would at least have had to make bullets for them, and why would these have worked any better or been any safer than their crummy pistols?
In the very start of the movie, when the soldiers are saying that there had not a signal from our heroes for several hours, there is a window. Look out the window and tell me what you see. Is that supposed to be the lunar surface?
Yeah, the very first time I saw this movie (at about 9), it looked to me like the curve of the Earth. (I never thought of it looking like the Moon.) I've never been able to figure that one out at all. I thought maybe the radio station is up near the North Pole, hence the nearby curved horizon. Yes, I know that makes no sense, but that's the thought that hit me 50 years ago, and I've never been able to shake that childhood impression -- even though I knew it was nonsense even then!
Bottom line: I have no idea what that curved horizon or object is supposed to be. But it does suggest "space".
Is there a revolving light of some kind out that window too?
<Oh, so what do you think about my extra gun/UP-made single-bullet theory? Remember the guys did fire from a grassy knoll.>
I did not know quite how to respond to this one hob, untill I saw over in SOTI, what you thought of the conspiracy theories. So far, I've heard from folks who swore that it was the Russians, the Cubans, the Mafia, the CIA, LBJ, Clay Shaw's people, the Israelis, ad nauseam.
And I have probably missed a bunch.
All I can say is that the grassy knoll must have been pretty damned crowded.