Tom maybe was not gay


Maybe he was shy and quite and senstive. I can relate to his charcter so much and im not gay.

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Thank you, man. I agree; I've been there too.

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One of the film's points is that, according to the stereotypical attitues which prevailed at the time, "shy, quiet and sensitive" were grounds for suspicion, especially amongst those who feared such things within themselves. Of course, no one suspected anything about the macho husband.

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Oh, and do you guys know I got a serious chill up my spine when she told Tom that famous line about blah, blah..."and you will...be kind." Man, she had me mesmerized when she said that and looked at him in that beautiful moment before bringing him closer and things fade out. That's classic stuff right there. It's like I know plenty a guy that brings back memories for, as wonderful the experience was and all. And all that built up to that special point and time is just so real.

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isn't it great how such passion and intimacy conveyed,...w/o being explicit. d. kerr has such class. I can't think of a modern actress able to pull that off.

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kerr has such class. I can't think of a modern actress able to pull that off


It's hard to think of anyone else, past or present, who could convey so much with that one sentence. Such kindness and yet you sense she's not going to do this purely out of pity. It's very moving. They were both wonderful.

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I agree, I don't think that Tom was gay. Tom was just very shy and timid. He was raised without a strong male figure, and just happens to know how to sew and cook (because a maid taught him). You can tell from the first scene between him and Deborah Kerr (who I must say, is fantastic!) that he lusts after her. Tom is just too polite and too kind a kid to express his feelings.

I think that when the other boys started to tease him, he kept thinking and brooding over everything that he did, and kept shaping things so that it made him out to be gay.

It's a great movie! The last scene between Tom and Laura always gets me, "When you talk about this... be kind..." I always thought that they should get together, but it wasn't meant to be. It's my favorite movie!

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I just posted a long "review" largely about this.

Tom was not queer, and there's nothing in the film to suggest he was, or that he might be, or that he struggled with whether or not he was.

The film is about how *others* thought he was or might be queer -- and how that effected Tom's perception of himself as a man... but there's nothing in the film that suggests this external conflict made Tom question his *sexual orientation.* There's simply nothing in the film like that.

While, on the other hand, what IS in the film -- and what is blatantly obvious within merely a few minutes -- is that Tom is completely in love with Laura.

Matthew

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Viewers in that era were used to shades of gray and reading between the lines. They didn't expect to have things spelled out for them. And they knew the rules for phony morally-sound endings. Viewers today are much more literal.

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Viewers in that era were used to shades of gray and reading between the lines. They didn't expect to have things spelled out for them. And they knew the rules for phony morally-sound endings. Viewers today are much more literal.


Wonderful point!

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"Coding" of 'unspeakable' material -- including queerness, definitely -- had a long and powerful history in the Golden Age of Hollywood, of course. Particularly after the Code came in in 34. Movies couldn't directly be about queerness, so they had to infer queerness, by inuendo they'd hope the board would miss in review or could be convinced was something other than what it actually was, and by the use of character elements other than queerness itself that viewers would associate, wrongly or rightly, with queerness.

But, in most of those cases, I think, they involve the characters who themselves are supposed to be interpreted as queer by the audience. And that's not happening in Tea and Sympathy. The emphasis in the film remains on the *other* characters' reactions to Tom firmly throughout, not on Tom himself. The things they see in him, to which they overract so strongly and try to eradicate from him, while, yes, certainly address the more general issue of a man's masculinity (or more precisely, the *perception* of a man's masculinity, by himself and others) fly utterly in the face of the film's entirely unambiguous treatment of Tom's more specific *sexual orientation.*

The film, of course, couldn't directly address the possibility of a character's queerness in the actions of that character him- or herself, but if the makers wanted to infer it then they needed to not so blatantly and consistently, so strongly portray Tom as entirely in love with a member of the opposite sex. Like I've said, Tom is without a doubt completely in love with D. Kerr's character from the moment we see them together -- he doesn't come off as someone needing 'tea and sympathy' at all to me, but as someone completely in the thrall of young (on one side, at least) love. And he *never* waivers from this infatuation for a moment for the rest of the film. It's all over John Kerr's face, all the time.

Even when the real topic of the film -- others' perception of Tom and the resultant pressure they put on him to 'conform' -- kicks in full-gear, Tom himself is not portrayed as someone who might fear he's queer. He's portrayed as someone who fears he's not seen as 'man enough' and fears he'll lose everything with the people in his life if he doesn't *act* differently in superficial ways. He doesn't show that he the cause of his fears comes from within, he shows that he fears others.

Not being 'man enough' -- even not beeing *seen* as being 'man enough' -- would seemingly be enough to 'code' Tom as queer or possibly queer, as questioning himself. And it *would* if it were left on its own in Tea and Sympathy, unmarked by another very powerful element of the film: Tom's obvious love for D. Kerr's character. Maybe some of the audience thought Tom was or might be queer when the film was released, but its makers had to be fully aware that the way they were so thoroughly, calculatedly portraying Tom's orientation, his sexual and romantic longing, would render the film a statement not on sexual orientation itself, but on the utter freak-out *others* experience in their perceiving of someone's sexual orientation and projected gender image.

Matthew

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This is a wonderful thread. Thank you all for contributing and for affirming my feelings about this complex and touching film. As a woman, I was deeply moved by the story, which was experienced much the same as all of you.

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I don't think the point of the play or movie was to say that Tom was gay...in fact, he was used as a way to show that it was her husband, Bill that was gay. Tom was just "different" enough to cause all of the other boys and men around him to question him, and it's why Bill was so uber-macho...to hide the fact that he was very much like Tom, and the play makes it clear that that's why Laura broke up with him.

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What did i miss? I didn't come away from the movie convinced that Bill was gay; in fact it never even crossed my mind that he MIGHT be! (Of course since reading the posts here I'm not ruling out the idea-Perhaps the play made this more clear?). It seems a bit hasty to conclude that his uber-macho behavior was compensation for his being gay and being ashamed of it. Why couldn't he just have been a hetero man who has become uncomfortable (apparently this wasn't always the case) with expressing his emotions and discussing sensitive subjects with his wife, as per the conversation Laura has with him where she broaches this issue and he just storms out.

And you state that he was trying "to hide the fact that he was very much like Tom." But Tom wasn't gay, as we have postulated in the context of this argument, just sensitive and vulnerable, etc. Again, does the play, which I've neither seen nor read, bring out Bill's being gay as more of a possibility?

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What did i miss? I didn't come away from the movie convinced that Bill was gay; in fact it never even crossed my mind that he MIGHT be!


I'm with you on this! It never occurred to me either. But, I think that people are also making a mistake assuming that just because he ended up married, that meant he was straight. Because plenty of gays back in those days posed as straight, for a simpler, safer life.

However, it is also very important to point out that even though his attraction to Laura was obvious to many of us, that doesn't make him "straight" either. After all, there is such a thing as bisexual. And, if there's one lesson that this movie has to teach, it's that not everything is as simple as black and white. In other words, I think that this movie is a story of love, sensuality, self-discovery, so-called forbidden desires, and above-all, it is a cautionary tale against assumptions.

So, it could be that he is bisexual. But, more likely, he is none of the above; he loves whoever he loves and would probably not even think of analyzing it beyond that.


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Hey, good points--Except I think you thought I was talking about Tom. I was responding to the previous poster's assertion that the ultimate upshot of Tom's travails was to demonstrate that BILL (i.e., Laura's husband) was gay.

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"After all, there is such a thing as bisexual"

Why would you think he was bisexual though?

He likes Laura - is in love with her even, this would indicate to me that he likes women. Where does the bisexual thing come into it?

Because he's quiet and sensitive? Because all men who like women but happen to be quiet and sensitive must therefore fancy men too?

As to Bill's sexuality, it never occured to me either that he was gay - not once. So I was surprised to read so many respondents here postulating that theory.

Bill just seemed like a typical sports-loving guy who liked to do 'guy' things and hang out with like minded men. That didn't make him gay in my view. He was very physically and emotionally reserved with Laura though, so I suppose that may have been a sign but I still didn't put the two together. He just seemed like the kind of fellow who didn't want to examine his emotions every five minutes (I've know loads a men like that!).


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That was the point. He was not gay. He was shy, quiet and sensitive but did not want to sleep with a sleazy woman every one else had slept with. Back then, those things made people suspicious and probably ruined lives.

He told D Kerr of a crush he had on a woman when he was 12 and he slept with her too. He was also married so I don't think he was gay.

Interesting how D. Kerr's macho husband was sitting alone and listening to classical music at the end of the movie which is something they criticized John Kerr for doing....a sign that he was probably gay.



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Maybe not gay? He was not gay at all.

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