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Really about avenging Martha?


I watched this again a couple of days ago and something occurred to me that hadn't before. Could the film actually not be about finding Debbie at all. Instead is it actually about Ethan searching for the man who killed Martha and her family?

When Ethan kills Scar the murderous rage seems to go right out of him and that's when his attitude to Debbie changes. He no longer feels hatred towards her and he wants to take her home. Obviously he and Martin did want to find Debbie and Lucy but I'm wondering now if for Ethan it was all really about avenging the woman he loved.

Any thoughts on this?


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(spoilers) My thoughts are that you are essentially correct. But remember, Ethan doesn't kill Scar, Martin does. It's the scalping that provides the turning point for Ethan -- and, symbolically, the era. (The same in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - when Doniphon kills Valance from ambush.) We see similar moments in other films, too: Eg., Shane, Cimarron. If you see Ethan and Scar as the same person (doppelgangers), this broader picture and thematic point of the film becomes even more dramatic and meaningful . . . making The Searchers a very special Western.

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Yeah . . . they go much too far in covering-up Ethan's gentle nature. Clearly racism! Hey, how's 'bout we organize a protest of some kind. (Give me somthing ta do while I'm waitin' for somebody to offer me a job!)

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I suggest you read Frankel's book on The Searchers. Movie is based on a true story. Many children were kidnapped by Indians and raised as Indians. Most lost their white identity. Some were "rescued" only to have a difficult time assimilating into white culture. Its part of our history and should be studied.

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'The Searchers' is stomach turning propaganda


Yes, the Comanche never did the things this movie depicted in real life. Oh wait they did.

The movie never balanced out the Comanche's actions by giving Scar motivation for hating the whites or showing the cavalry committing a massacre. Oh wait it did.

And Ethan's actions were applauded for trying to shoot the Comanche in the back or shooting a dead Indian's eyes out. Oh wait they weren't.

It's clear you haven't got a clue.


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Scar's branch of Comanches were more hated by other tribes than the same tribes hated the white settlers. Comanches' way of life was to plunder, pillage, kill and enslave. Ethan Edwards is no angel, but neither are Scar and his band.

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No, its all about Ethan's hate. He's not too friendly toward the natives before the raid and Debbie's kidnapping.

I think he does want to get Debbie back also. But that wears off the more he imagine what Debbie will become, another Comanche.

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Ethan ain't too friendly but he knows a lot about Commanche life/culture/language/spiritualism as well as what motivates them. And you'll notice he was quite friendly of the members from 'Look's' clan. It was Scar & his Noyaki clan that Ethan seemed to hate.





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"Could the film actually not be about finding Debbie at all. . . . is it actually about Ethan searching for the man who killed Martha and her family."

Seems both in the movie.

I read the novel decades ago (and unfortunately no longer have the copy) and in the novel Ethan (called Amos as I recall) is painted a much darker character. It is implied he seeks to perhaps kill Debbie because she has inherited his brother's ranch and cattle as his daughter. If she is dead, Amos is the next of kin and gets the property.

With John Wayne playing Ethan, John Ford could not, or certainly did not, go in this direction at all. Even hinting at such a sordid motive was out of the question. So everything is tossed onto emotional motives. Hate, racism, revenge. Concerning Scar the revenge motive is understandable. For Debbie, the desire to kill her comes across as over-the-top.

In the novel, the question of whether Amos would have killed Debbie is left mute, as Amos sees a girl fleeing the final attack whom he takes to be Debbie and rides up to her. She suddenly turns around and it is not Debbie. She shoots Amos before he can react and he is killed.

Now the novel and the film are two different creations, but I believe the alterations changed motives which were dark and mysterious in the novel into one which is merely murky and which is abruptly dropped at the climax, although the reliance on racism gives the movie its troubling undercurrent.

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Avenging Martha aye, sounds like batman and super mans motives in BvS am I right?

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