when the planet planet blew up, anne francis character should of disappeared as she was also just an incarnation of Morbieus's mind as well.
I'd say, "wrong". If Altaira was a product of Morbius' imagination via the machine, she would have toadied to his every wish. Which she clearly didn't.
shareNeat idea, but then wouldn't she have disappeared when he died, just like the monster did?
share"Neat idea, but then wouldn't she have disappeared when he died, just like the monster did? "
I'm taking liberties for dramatic effect. Call it Morbeus' "super id"/soul imprinted on the machine. His love for his "daughter" was so strong it even survived his death. The destruction of the machine was necessary to stop that beautiful creature of the id.
Love is more powerful than hate even in the sci fi powered world of the krell...
It is a good idea ... but a much darker ending would be that all of them, ship and crew, disappeared when Morbeus died. That the 'rescue mission' itself was a part of his imagination, his conscience if you like acting as a counter force to his ID.
And when they disappeared, the machine would wait patiently to serve some other being that found it, serve them for better or worse.
I must also say here:
"dream on"
The fact that Altaira chose to leave her father and journey to earth with Commander Adams and the rest of the crew empowers her character, since it shows that she is not just her father's daughter who tries to please him with everything she does. She has become her own woman, capable of making her own choices, and starting a new life for herself.
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Would ***HAVE***; Should ***HAVE***
Anyway a neat twist but as stated if she had been created by Modbius, she's have disappeared when he died.
She could have been created by the Krell machine and disappeared when the planet exploded and the machine was destroyed.
I like the darker ending better - how about she disappears and the planet is NOT destroyed. As the captain is trying to figure it out, they receive a distress signal...from Morbius and alongside with him is his daughter.
I believe Alta is a machine like Robby the robot. Parts that support this:
* Morbius said Robby was easy to make, like he could easily do even more advanced version (Alta). He said he constructed Robby shortly after they landed. Since that time he had time to study more of the Krell's science data.
* Alta didn't get any vibrations from her first kiss like humans do. I was left with the impression that changing the partner didn't help much either.
* She didn't act normally. I think her having a machine logic explains this better than the explanation that she has grown up in isolation. When she tries to cover her beauty, she doesn't have any idea of what is essential in accomplishing this. She just covers her skin (actually only legs), not her curves.
* The tiger wasn't interested in hunting Alta (a machine) but attacked commander Adams (standing then next to Alta).
Is her age less than the time her mother is said to have been dead?
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it does make it into a somewhat different movie.
You all must be smoking some funny stuff.
shareI believe Alta is a machine like Robby the robot. Parts that support this:
* Morbius said Robby was easy to make, like he could easily do even more advanced version (Alta). He said he constructed Robby shortly after they landed. Since that time he had time to study more of the Krell's science data.
* Alta didn't get any vibrations from her first kiss like humans do. I was left with the impression that changing the partner didn't help much either.
* She didn't act normally. I think her having a machine logic explains this better than the explanation that she has grown up in isolation. When she tries to cover her beauty, she doesn't have any idea of what is essential in accomplishing this. She just covers her skin (actually only legs), not her curves.
* The tiger wasn't interested in hunting Alta (a machine) but attacked commander Adams (standing then next to Alta).
Is her age less than the time her mother is said to have been dead?
it does make it into a somewhat different movie.
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That's what the producers said to the writer who then removed the end twist.
An experienced writer like Cyril Hume knows how to hint things without saying them out loud. Such end twist might have been silly and definately unnecessary, so the crew might have never discussed it even if the writer had decided Alta is a robot. I wouldn't be surprised if the director didn't know of the writer's decision ...if there was one.
Realizing the true nature of Alta did improve my experience alot, especially since this was my second viewing. With them saying it out loud wouldn't have done this, since the best you can do to your audience is to make them think and to find things themselves. Such art is rare in block busting movies.
Dear Alan,
My speculation about mentioned conversations is purely fictional (hence the smiley with glasses in my original post). I did check Cyril Hume’s resume though.
With block busting movies I meant generally films not conceived to have (or just end up having no) deep artistic content, films meant merely as entertainment. You might point out that art is entertaining and I would agree. The entertainment I mean shudders the idea of having the audience think. It’s considered as an unreliable investment.
Related is my speculation about how the director might not have known the true nature of Alta. Scripts are passed through a producer and the art is scraped away or hidden as subtext usually even before that, by the writer himself, who surely knows what might not be tolerated in an entertainment product.
It seems there had been other writers before Hume. Quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet):
“The original screen story by Irving Block and Allen Adler in 1952 was titled Fatal Planet. Then its screenplay by Cyril Hume was renamed Forbidden Planet, because this one was believed to have more box-office appeal.”
FP=entertainment, 2001=art. The nature of the movie was not part of my original reasoning, just a spin-off.
I did not mean to suggest that
Anne Francis played the part to be a robot.
- - it is stated that it has been nineteen years since the Bellerophon landed. Morbius also says that Altaira's mother died shortly after everybody else was massacred "only in her case it was by natural causes." That would make Altaira 18-19.
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I believe Morbius was able to build the robot only because he learnt Krell science. How could the brain boost able him, a philologist, to make a robot if he didn't have any knowledge of science?
I remember him saying that Robby was built in the beginning of his studies/excavations, before he found the cave and more Krell science data, and that after that he could have made a more refined version. (This reasoning would suggest that Alta was built after the brain boost - provided that he had it soon after finding the cave.)
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For me it seemed like she only tried harder with Adams, without emotion, as if she acted the way she guessed she was expected to. I didn't see joy of enlightenment on her face after the kiss, nor do I recall any romantic gestures by her later in the film.
How was her love for Adams pointed out exactly? They held each other's hands?
In the first tiger scene only Alda walked into the garden. Adams wasn't even in the same picture with the animal? He stayed so far that we as viewers didn't expect the tiger to react to him did we?
Considering it's supposed to be a modern version of Shakespeare's Tempest, it's most likely that she actually was his real daughter.
shareSurely she is his daughter! Whether or not a human is what I'm supposing.
Having a 17th century source does not prove anything about a science fiction movie.
For all I learn, my speculation might be applicable to the Tempest as well. Might it?
In the play, the main character, a Duke, is a magician, and has use for his daughter in trying to escape an island they were deposed to - by arranging someone to fall in love with her and prepare a marriage on mainland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest
Sorry, but Morbius introduced Altaira as his daughter, so it is likely; the woman he married came out with him on the Bellerophon, so it is possible; and to argue otherwise, without any hint or suggestion of support, flies in the teeth of Occam's Razor.
You could have made a better case for Robbie being a Krell construct from Morbius' mind, except, again, he would have had to disappear when Morbius died, which would have been kind of anticlimactic, after suffering a cybernetic breakdown, to chose the same time to disappear as the monster from Morbius' id.
If any constructs from Morbius' feeble brain could survive after Morbius died, until the Krell's giant machine blew up, then so would the monster's from the Krell's id --- and then we would have had a much more forbidding planet than the one which housed Morbius, Altaira and Robby.
"Sorry, but Morbius introduced Altaira as his daughter, so it is likely; the woman he married came out with him on the Bellerophon, so it is possible; and to argue otherwise, without any hint or suggestion of support, flies in the teeth of Occam's Razor."
I believe someone said the records stated that Morbius was single and then Morbius named his wife and said that they were married on the voyage by the captain of Belerophon.
That is what I thought I had said, magolding. The problem lies in my tenses. It would have been clearer if I had used the past perfect tense:
"... the woman he married [had come] out with him on the Bellerophon ..."
I'm sorry for the miscommunication.
What is interesting about this discussion as to whether she was a robot is that it seems very similar to the discussion about Blade Runner, and whether Deckhard was a replicant... ?
Fortytwo? FortyTwo? what sort of puerile, pathetic, stupid answer is that? Everyone knows it's 43.
Would HAVE.
Can´t be that difficult.
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan
awww a grammar flame... how cute.
I find it impolite to expect people to read this kind of sh-t.
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan
franz, without adding to the conversation, trust me, you are the one that is rude.
I am rude and you are impolite. The company we keep...
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan
This is a silly thread based upon some quite mindless conjecturing with no basis. An example of why the novelization is a vital adjunct to the film as it nails down all the story elements so there is no conjecturing (and confusion) about them.
shareIf Altaira was a Krell construct, projected from Morbius' mind, she would have disappeared when Morbius died, not when Altair-5 exploded.
shareNo she wasn't; she was the product of the relationship between Morbius and his deceased wife.
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