how come this is not in the top 250 ?
how come this is not in the top 250 ? imdb has weird ways of counting sometimes
sharehow come this is not in the top 250 ? imdb has weird ways of counting sometimes
shareBecause not many people know.
~Me
I'm just a sweet transvestite...From Transexual, Transylvania...
Well, it should be the duty of those of us that know better to bring the knowledge, the truth, to the cinematic infidel!
I've shown this to many others and find to my surprise that not everyone gets it. Some find it too silly--this in spite of the fact that most of the sitcoms they sit through are just as silly while lacking the wit, the charm, the cleaverness, the comidic genius (in Danny Kaye) found here. Not to mention the fact that The Court Jester is entirely lacking in the mean-spiritedness which permeates most of todays comedies. Perhaps this is the reason some cannot relate--they're waiting for the put-down so as to know when to laugh. Still, some DO get it, and it's a joy to watch their reactions.
There is little doubt--at least so my battered brain tells me--that this is a film that truly belongs in the top 100, and among the top 10 comedies of all time. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many comic highlights--perhaps more than in any other movie! The sword fight at the end was originally my favorite scene, where Kaye is snapped back and forth between heroic mastery of the sword, and wildly inept cowardess. Of course the "vessel with the pestle" routine is a comic masterpiece which at various viewings has been my favorite. But we have the swinging back and forth between the witch's, the princess' and the villians rooms; the actual joust; the attempted seduction of Glynis Johns by the would be king; the accelerated tests of courage Kaye undergoes to become a knight; the little ditty Kaye sings to "welcome" Sir Grizzwald; the "Get it? Got it. Good," routine; the hypnotizing scene (my present favorite--how Kaye manages such rapid affective transformations, between "brooding melancholy" and all the other traits the witch instills within him is beyond me); and of course the "What did the Duke do?" interchange. And there is more. Lots more.
This is Danny Kaye's finest hour. He has been very good in almost every film he has been a part of--even the dramas like Skopje!, and The Five Pennies, but he has never had material like this to work with before--and such a great supporting cast! It's too bad the Academy didn't have the discernment to award Kaye with an Oscar.
The film is not quite perfect. Some of the early scenes are a little weak when compared with what is to come, and the final disposition of the baddies at the end is a little TOO ridiculous, but these quibbles are dwarfed (pun intended) by the positives.
Grab a few of the uninitiated and force them to see this movie with you. Spread the joy!
Cheerio!
"I'm a lover of beauty--and a beauty of a lover!"--The Court Jester
it should be on the top 250 its one of the funniest ever.....
VOTE 10
Well, the main problem is that not many people have seen it, so it doesn't have enough votes.
shareI think the real problem is the web pages of more recent films, especially the mega movies such as the Matrix and LOTR series, are visited much more often than the classics from the past and get many more votes. And if you factor in that WWW demographics do not favor the older Internet surfer, the older films are often unknown to the many young IMDB users.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
I love it. ^_^ (Right from the very beginning, with that silly/cheery song
about storytelling/storyfinding/storymaking/etc. [sifting through the research
stuff and "what did we find? a lot of dust!" ^_~ etc. ^_~ (adorable^_^!)].)
It's so cute. ^_^ (But maybe, to REALLY appreciate^_^ it, you have to be
childlike^_^ enough^_^ AND^_^ love^_^ Danny^_^ Kaye^_^ enough^_^.) (I'm=^__^=
younger^_^ AND^_~ older^_~ than a lot of people my=^__^= age [almost 34]. ^_^)
(No wonder I=^__^= feel like growling>_< whenever anyone suggests that maybe
I=^__^= [of all people ^_~] should spend more time with "people my own age". ^_~
The "average" person around my=^__^= chronological age doesn't "get" much stuff
that I=^__^= like^_^!!! ^_~ [Although there was one girl in college who was
almost exactly my=^__^= age AND^_^ a fan^_^ of the great Danny Kaye. ^_^
Her=^__^= real-life name was Katherine (Kat=^__^= for short). (I=^__^= just
like^_^ the cat=^__^= names^_^, I'm=^__^= not named any of them in "reality"
["reality" can be so boring sometimes! ^_~].)
Kit =^__^=
=^___^=
Needless to say, my feelings resonate totally with yours regarding this film. A question, however, if I may be so bold: To what end all of the "^" and "=" and "__" and the various permutations and combinations of these symbols? Not a complaint, just curious.
PS. Also in total agreement with the notion that, in someways, to grow old just doesn't make any sense!
Cheerio!
"Nothing in this world is more surprising than the attack without mercy!"--Little Big Man
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This has been one of my favorite movies for most of my life. actually all my favs come from the 1930-60s. Rarely do you find a comedy that gives you as mucha acting as The Court Jester does- can you imagine if it was made today?. Of course you probably wouldn't see Danny Kaye's zipper on his knight costume right before the pellet with the poision scene. But I think you really hit on what makes this movie my favorite. It is not mean spirited, it is Joyful- even the baddies aren't that bad- which is really more like real life. I just love this movie. it's a shame it isn't well known, but because it isn't I always take great joy in showing it to the uninitiated.
shareI'm glad your spreading the word. A lot of people these days don't have any idea what a GOOD zany comedy looks like, as if the Farley Brothers' films--full of that nastiness absent in all of Kaye's pictures--were the last word.
[What? You mean they didn't have zippers back then?]
Cheerio!
"Nothing in this world is more surprising than the attack without mercy!"--Little Big Man
Not only isn't it in the top 250, the New York Times published a book in 2004 listing the greatest 1000 films in history and ignored it. It ignored a lot of other worthy films as well.
shareWell, there are three problems:
1) Most people don't know this movie. Its just too old.
2) Being that old also has the stigma of "old=bad", at least thats what so many people today think!
3) Face it, the first 20 or so minutes suck!
Lets assume for som unknown reason, The Court Jester is aired on regular TV and unleashed upon the big crowd of unprepaired "normal" TV-watchers. The first half won't even turn it on because it is so old. The remaining ones, what do they see in the first 20 minutes? A bunch of midgets in a wood that looks more like studio than actual wood, a guy that in a fancy suit that is singing and dancing old fashion style, all of them wearing tights. Then the boring and dragging love scene up to the point where Giacomo arrives. The real movie begins when Hawkins enters the castle, the Duke-dialogue will blow you away. But up to that point there is only one really funny scene: Hawkins is playing the deaf old man. "Why is it taking you so long to translate "no"? "He stutters"
Agreed so much with your post!
Unfortunately, yes, the beginning is poor and I always say the fun really starts when they get to the castle. Although the "deaf girl and her coughing dad" are pretty funny.
But, it is SO funny once they are in the castle, I can't do much but call it the best comedy of all! My only reservation is the lost beginning.
It is obnoxious that this movie is #98 - NINETY-EIGHT - on the "Best 100 COMEDIES" from AFI, much less all of movie-dom. It definitely needs to be in the top 100 movies, period.
BTW, my mother used to love Inspector General (that was brand new for her) - then we happened upon this movie way back and Jester has replaced that even for her. I wonder if she even saw it in the theater - maybe word of "bomb" made her not go?
The lowest rating on the Top 250 is currently 7.8. The rating for The Court Jester is currently ... 7.8.
So I think the original question was more a question about why does The Court Jester's 7.8 not count to get it on the Top 250 list? I could be wrong of course, the original question might just be a complaint about not enough people seeing this film, but ... *g*
And if I am right about the intent of the original question, there are three facts that are relevant:
Firstly, statistics is not an exact science. Whilst The Court Jester is currently rated at 7.8 that might actually be 7.77 rounded up. Whereas all the movies on the Top 250 list might be 7.81 rounded down. So they technically have higher scores than The Court Jester. So this great film doesn't get a look in.
Secondly, the score on the Top 250 list is different from the score presented on the movie's page. This is because for the Top 250 list only votes from regular voters are counted whereas for the movies page ALL votes are counted. This is easily seen by comparing Batman Begins to the Top 250 list. On the Batman Begins page, the movie has a score of 8.3 yet on the Top 250 list it scores 8.1. Similarly, Sin City has 8.4 on its own page and yet 8.2 on the Top 250. So going on that basis it may be that The Court Jester has a Top 250 score of 7.6.
Thirdly, as previously mentioned only votes from regular voters are counted for the Top 250 list and there is a minimum requirement of having 1250 votes from regular voters before inclusion on the list is allowed. So it may just be that The Court Jester doesn't have enough votes from regular voters yet ...
This film looks like it was written and directed by someone who doesn't understand comedy. The scenes are so forced you really wonder why they pretended to have a plot. Kaye is only good when he underacts as in Me and the Colonel and Hans Christian Anderson. Some of you might remember that he was so bad in the his only Broadway show Two by Two that it closed immediately...and the music was by Richard Rogers.
This wouldn't make the top 250 of someone's list of bad movies.
alg11297
I'm sorry nobody responded to your posting, saying how much you disliked this movie, but couldn't you accept the fact that your view was not shared?
Why come to another posting to get your point across?
I forgot the name of this movie, but for probably 30+ years, "the vessel with the pestle", and "get it, got it, good" have buzzed around in the empty realm of my brain.
I guess I can kind of see why you bring up Danny's stage show, but it really has nothing to do with this movie.
I don't generally make a habit of responding to negative reviews, I figure 'What's the point. You're not going to change my mind, and I know I'm not going to change yours.' But in this case I made an exception.
I know I can watch Danny's movies with my children and not have to worry about the language or situations being inappropriate. The comedy is mostly obvious (I would not say forced, for that I would recommend "European Gigolo") and the good guys win. Even the bad guys don't suffer that much.
Would it make my top 100 movies? Probably. Would my list mirror anyone else's? I doubt it very much.
Sit back, suspend disbelief, and enjoy a good family movie. Or not...
"This film looks like it was written and directed by someone who doesn't understand comedy."
You've got to be kidding. The film was written/produced/directed by Norman Panama and Melvin Frank. They're best-known for the Hope/Crosby Road films, the better ones of which are still quite watchable. (They also wrote the screenplay for Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House.)
What do you mean by "forced"? If you argue that the humor in Barney Miller or Frasier is "unforced", because it grows of character, I might agree with you. Yes, the humor in The Court Jester is largely gags grafted onto the dialog, and thus "forced".
But what gags! How many comedies have even one classic gag? The Court Jester has at least three or four.
The problem seems to be that you just don't like Danny Kaye as a comic performer. De gustibus...
I will start by saying that I am young and my least favorite movie genre is comedy. However, this is truly a great movie and deserves to be on the top 250. I can name many films on the top 250 that don't even begin to compare to The Court Jester.
shareOf course, "The Court Jester" should be rated among the top comedy films of all time. But these lists are always so heavily weighted toward recent movies (or television shows, or songs, or whatever the topic may be) that they lose any credibility. I ignore them.
share"...these lists are always so heavily weighted toward recent movies (or television shows, or songs, or whatever the topic may be) that they lose any credibility."
That's because the people ranking the films are youngsters who didn't grow up seeing "good" films.