I know that the studio frist wanted Frank Sinatra for Billy. I'm glad he didn't do it. I heard a recording of his If I Loved You and didn't like it at all. I think that if he had done it I don't think I would have liked the movie do much. The studio's second choice wasn't Gordon MacRae but instead Gene Kelly. Now I'm a huge fan of Gene Kelly. I love him and think that he would have made a very good Billy. I can actually see him in that role. But I'm glad Gene didn't do it. I think I still would have liked the movie and so much more so than if Frank had been in it. But it's perfect with the studio's third choice Gordon MacRae. In this case it was third time is a charm. It was very well and beautifully snag and acted by Gordon and when it comes right down to it I can't picture anyone other than Gordon MacRae in this role. He was the right and best decision for Billy and I'm sure glad. I love this movie and love Gordon in it.
No, but I heard his pre-recording of "If I Loved You," and even though I'm a Sinatra fan too, "Carousel" benefitted immeasurably by his replacement by Gordon MacRae.
If I recall correctly, Sinatra recordrd "Soliloquy" for Columbia in the late 40's-early 50's. The score would have to have undergone a change of style for him. I don't think Gene Kelly could have done it justice. They're both more the Joey Evans type, not Billy Bigelow.
I've heard Soliloquy and he was good, he was always good, but for once someone else beat him. Gordon was perfect in that role and his voiced matched the character. I love that film.
I can't imagine anyone but Gordon MacRae playing Billy in this film- he sang the role like a dream. Sinatra just wouldn't have been able to do it the same justice.
I love Sinatra, but I don't think he was manly, tough-guy-ish enough at that point in his life to play Billy. His version of Soliloquy was lacking something. I do love him singing If I Loved You. He also sang Younger Than Springtime from Soth Pacific beautifully...irrelevant, I know.
I totally agree with the pro-Gordon camp. In fact ,he was 4th choice. The back of the laserdisc states that Howard Keel (who played Curly in London and was thus known to R+H) was sought for the role as soon as Frank walked off the picture. (Fox sued him and won- his compensatory work for them was in the lacklustre movie version of CAN CAN, in which a new character was written to accomodate his inclusion and the storyline altered dramatically.Ironically it was a financial hit for Fox. By the way, Henry Ephron records in his memoirs that Sinatra could not record the final portion of SOLILOQUY at the sessions before the location shooting began.Also, R+H were not happy with his casting and wrote Mr Ephron of their approval of the movie after the premiere in NYC). Mr Keel was unavailable (finishing up KISMET? A performance which is often under-rated) so Gene Kelly was the next choice. I'm sure he was a great PAL JOEY, but on Broadway that character was a dancer, not a singer. According to the laserdisc notes Kelly refused to have his vocals dubbed, so Fox finally went with the best Billy Bigelow ever, Gordon MacRae. Mr MacRae had not really played a challenging dramatic role at this point apart from a film noir at Warners called BACKFIRE. He had played Billy on stage and-like Betty Hutton and Annie Oakley- felt the part should ultimately come his way. He sang and acted it magnificently and should at least have been nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy. His final scenes in particular are done with great subtlety and sensitivity, unmatched by few others in film musicals which come to my mind.(Natalie Wood in WEST SIDE STORY is one who does). Although Fox abandoned CAROUSEL at Oscar time to put its weight behind THE KING AND I (a worthy title but not superior to CAROUSEL in my opinion), the Director's Guild championed Henry King, voting him a "Finalist" for Best Director of 1956 for this movie. Also the Writers Guild voted for it as one of the 5 best-written film musicals of that year (and I'm one of the few who view the "flashback" device as an improvement on the original stage libretto, possibly the Writers Guild felt the same way!). According to Henry Ephron, the film outdid OKLAHOMA! in New York for much of its run at the Box Office and it had the biggest financial take of a Fox movie in NY since THE ROBE in it's opening few weeks. It did very well in England and Australia and if anything, has grown more appreciated over the years as a fore-runner of "downbeat" film musicals, which were few and far between before '56. Any ill-advised remake will only make this superb production look better in comparison.
According to Sheila MacRae's autobiography, Frank Sinatra and Shirley Jones had pre-recorded most of their songs together in the studio in Hollywood before shooting began. Frank actually showed up for filming but then left. He was unhappy for two reasons: First, he did not want to have to shoot scenes twice because the plan was to film it in CinemaScope and then again in CinemaScope 55, like had been done for "Oklahoma". The second reason he was unhappy was because of the remote location of Boothbay Harbor, Maine. There was no place for him to go after work or a plane to fly him to a place where there might be some kind of nightlife. Shirley Jones watched him arrive on the first day as he stepped out of his limousine on location where everything was ready for the shooting of "June is Busting Out All Over". After Frank spoke with the film's director, Henry King, he had further words with the film's producer, Henry Ephron. Shirley said, "All of a sudden, Frank got back in the car, slammed the door and the limo took off." When she rushed over and asked why he had left, Henry King said, "Something about not wanting to do it twice. What does it matter? He quit the picture." Then, he grasped Shirley's hands and said, "Where's Gordon MacRae?" Shirley replied that she had no idea, to which he responded, "You made 'Oklahoma' together with him, didn't you? Why don't you know where he is?" Shortly after that, Oscar Hammerstein got on the phone and contacted Gordon in Lake Tahoe where he was performing his nightclub act at the time. Four days later, Gordon arrived in Maine....and the rest is history...as well as movie magic!
Years later, on The Tonight Show, MacRae stated his belief that Sinatra realized he just wasn't right for the part (which he wasn't), but it's hard to believe someone with Sinatra's ego would think that.
Actually, it was just a couple of years ago that Shirley found out that the real reason Sinatra left was that Ava Gardner, who was filming Mogambo with Clark Gable, told Frank that if he didn't get his butt over to the set of Mogambo, Ava would have an affair with Gable. Sinatra went almost immediately, using the dual-film-format issue as a convenient excuse to bail out of Carousel.
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I dislike Frank Sinatra personally. Sometimes I like him professionally (notably, Guys And Dolls and From Here to Eternity). But I'm glad he didn't play Billy.
On the other hand I've always wished for someone other than Gordon McRae. His acting is good enough but then that operatic baritone comes barrelling out of Billy's whiny, sulky, weaselly mouth. It just doesn't fit for me (nor does it complement Shirley Jones' voice).
Actually I'm still waiting for the perfect male sung version of If I Loved You. I've heard so many versions but not one seems to capture perfectly what the song needs. Any suggestions?
Your comments about MacRae are the exact opposite of most of his critics. Virtually every negative comment I have ever read about his performance in "Carousel" centered on his acting. You are I believe the first to publish a criticism about his singing.
MacRae certainly was a baritone, but I completely disagree about his having an operatic voice. He was a legitimate stage/film musical baritone. I have never heard "If I Loved You" sung better than GM did it for this film.
"I have never heard "If I Loved You" sung better than GM did it for this film."
In a way, I agree. But I am still waiting for a more perfect rendition. Either I am too demanding or this is just too perfect a song.
Regarding his acting, well, I wonder what the critics want from him. His voice, by itself, is strong, rich and commanding. But Billy is a whiny, immature weasel. Doesn't fit. Perhaps that is the problem; Billy is supposed to be a more commanding manly man? I'm not sure that works. I'd like to see a stage version but it isn't very popular. I never seen it being performed anywhere near me.
It's funny you should mention GUYS AND DOLLS because I've always felt Sinatra was miscast in that one...I think he should have played Sky Masterson, not Nathan Detroit.
I always thought Martin & Lewis should've done GUYS AND DOLLS. Just thinking about Jerry phumphering through "Sue Me" cracks me up. And letting Dean croon as Masterson? Perfecto!