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'If he had guts to knock Mom cold once, then maybe she'd be happy'


Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what feminists think of this movie? It kind of goes to big measures to blame the majority of Jim's problems on his mother and the fact that she's secured dominance over the household, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm also surprised that Nicholas Ray, the director of something as feminist as Johnny Guitar, would endorse it, too.

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"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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My first opinion about that quote is there would definitely be a lot of uproar about it if it was used in a movie today.

I kind of agree with Jim, you know how they slap people when they're hysterical to make them calm down, well it seems to me that his mother's dominating, bitter attitude and personality is like a long drawn out hysteric episode.

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I don't think the film necessarily places the majority of the blame for Jim's being mixed up on his mother alone. Jim clearly has lots of issues with his father as well. That said, dad's problems seem to stem in large part from his wife, so by extension, I suppose mom is the principle villain.

Anyway, I think it's telling that Jim's first thought about what he'd like to see happen between his mother and father is for dad to clock mom. Not simply stand up to her, or tell her to go to hell, but to resort to physical violence. I think that approach was typical of the time. (I also agree there'd be an uproar if this was used as a straight statement today. After all, some people now object to Ralph Kramden's various "Bang! Zoom!" threats to hit Alice.)

But Jim's remark also shows something else: the film's own ambivalent attitudes toward violence, depending on the circumstances. While at certain times the film clearly denounces violence (when Judy's dad slaps her, or the police shoot Plato), at others it depicts it as an unhappy but understandable consequence of rootless teens (the knife fight, the chickie run), and at still others it seems to justify it (Jim's "knock mom cold" remark, his tear out of his house when he assaults his father and almost his mother). Yet none of this detracts from the film, or even seems inconsistent with its message(s).

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You don't have to be a non-feminist to think that mom's attitude would markedly improve with a knockout punch. She was a selfish, self-centered person.






"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

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Mom suffered from the "golden uterus" syndrome. A bossy, narcissistic cow that is mentally ill.

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The relationship between Jim Stark's parents was perfect for this movie.

It would still ring true today.

It was made easy to understand because it was the most basic conflict.

The husband walking on eggshells, a father trying to be a pal not a parent.

It's been turned and used many times with the mother taking abuse and letting her daughter run wild.

The mom was initially portrayed as a real piece of work; maybe she was; by the end of the movie, with Jim Backus's firm but gentle "Darling.." and her immediate nestling against him, her happy, shy smile up at her husband...she's been waiting for him to stand up to her for a long time.

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The relationship between Jim Stark's parents was perfect for this movie.

It would still ring true today.

It was made easy to understand because it was the most basic conflict.

The husband walking on eggshells, a father trying to be a pal not a parent.

It's been turned and used many times with the mother taking abuse and letting her daughter run wild.

The mom was initially portrayed as a real piece of work; maybe she was; by the end of the movie, with Jim Backus's firm but gentle "Darling.." and her immediate nestling against him, her happy, shy smile up at her husband...she's been waiting for him to stand up to her for a long time.

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Mom was a strong independent woman (like the one in East of Eden, curiously) and the boys in the house couldn't handle it.

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He means that she's unhappy she's emasculated man. If he showed an ounce of balls and stood up to her once, maybe she would respect him and finally be happy that she ended up with him. No woman os happy with a man she can boss around, deep down every woman wants a strong man.

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