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Subutex and Suboxone

posted 14 years ago by micaofboca-836-322711
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It's a pity Subutex and Suboxone weren't available back in the 1950's. However, although the terrors of withdrawal are mitigated so effectively today with this effective remission medicine, the incidence of recidivism is made much more prevalent due to the ease of recovery from relapse. Notwithstanding, the miracle of modern medicine is a genuine godsend for those unfortunate individuals who fall prey to the horrors of narcotics addiction.
Hopefully, new, non-addictive pain relieving drugs that are non-narcotic will be discovered that might possibly make the use of opiates a thing of the past. Of course, that wouldn't prevent recreational use of euphoric narcotics, especially if new medicines don't carry with them the same blissful effects. Nevertheless, I have faith that illegal narcotics such as heroin and cocaine will eventually be virtually (if not completely) eradicated due to the overwhelming negative notoriety of these poisons that prevent them from achieving the popularity they enjoyed in late 19th Century China, despite their statutory prohibition and the heavy penalties they carried in that threatened society.

[–] PussyCrusher_Principal 14 years ago

Eradicated in what way? When GOVERNMENTS, which claim to be at war with drugs, use the proceeds of sale of such "poisons", as you say, to fund covert operations in foreign countries, it makes it plain that too many people have too much to gain from drugs and their "prohibition" to ever allow them to be eradicated. Besides, there will always be a demand (it's really no more complicated than that), and where people want to buy, there will be people willing to sell. Besides, just because they're illegal doesn't mean they're any worse than legal "poisons", such as alcohol. They should ALL be legal in a truly free society. I think you'd find that there'd be no more addicts than there are today (I really don't think there's one person sitting around saying "I hear that heroin's some good stuff...I'd try it if they'd only legalize it. Think I'll write my congressman..."), and then we could get honest with each other about drugs and addiction. And the people who want to live their lives on drugs (as legitimate a life-choice as any, despite what the common idea of "right" is) could get their drugs without having to endanger their lives (or at least endangering them less) or the lives of others, and could gain some measure of peace, insofar as they wouldn't have to live their lives in terror of the bust/jail detox. Maybe they could even become "productive" (hate that term) citizens WHILE STAYING ON DRUGS, and not be forced, against their will, to get off of drugs when they are not ready to do so. I have a feeling that we'll continue to live with our heads in the sand, though...

The only way heroin and cocaine will lose their luster is when there are better drugs to take their place...which doesn't really solve the problem in the way I think you'd like. People have been getting high since time immemorial...life is and always has been a sentence (as in jail) in too many people's minds, and those people's need for escape too great (and, thus, there's too much money to be made), for drugs to ever be eradicated.

Oh, and the movie's pretty good too. Got A Hatful Of Rain on my TiVo...gotta sit down and watch that; been meaning to for years.

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[–] swlabr 10 years ago

Aratbitmysister I agree with you 100%

[–] rtw416 11 years ago

you sound like a sales rep for a certain British Pharmaceutical company

[–] jimbrown257 10 years ago

He's not. He is a person speaking from experience who hopes that someone suffering from opiate addiction might read his post and go and get on Suboxone as it will save their life.

[–] puplover 10 years ago

As a clean, former opiate addict, I cannot tell you how many people I know that are going thru HE!!L dealing w/ suboxone detox. It is not the cure all that everyone thought at the beginning and the wds are WORSE than say oxycodone/hydrocone. It's supposed to be used in only "hopeless" cases that have certain death otherwise. And for a limited period of time, too. No escaping life, that's for sure. And that's the REAL work.

[–] rtw416 10 years ago

You're absolutely right...I too am speaking from experience when it comes to suboxone.Plus,you must be in the deep throws of withdrawal for it to be effective.There was another opioid sub without naltrexone ,the opiate blocker-called Bupenex that was available here until the FDA took it off the market because of collateral damage caused by injection-it was a inter muscular injectable.In 2 weeks time I put it all down...what it really comes down to is the addict-if they want to they will stop

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[–] rtw416 10 years ago

Deputy Dippity -WTF is your problem?
You don't know me or my situation...it is very easy to find out who you are hiding behind such a idiotic screen name-don't be surprised when you get served with a harassment subpoena .