I do not usually take issue directly with movie comments. But the one made by `Meteor 4' excites me to do so.
He refers to this movie's depiction as `The Gentlemen's War': well, compared to the behaviour of the Germans, it certainly was.
He refers to the characters in the movie as being improbable and lacking in authenticity. Well; I'm old enough to claim the honour of having met many of these heroes and can assure him that they and their conduct perfectly represent the national combat psyche of the war generation. They are entirely authentic.
And I also can assure the commentator that the story told in this movie is a minutely-researched piece of work. One or two elements have been omitted or amended for dramatic effect but in the main it is accurate, from Barnes Wallis and his marbles, to the death of Guy Gibson's black labrador dog - *beep*
Sentimental about a dead dog? You Bet; one British dog was worth any 1000 Nazis.
I do not know how authentic `Saving Private Ryan' is as a story. Veterans insist that the D-Day landings were as horrific as depicted and nobody else would know better. Records show it was a slaughter. That said, many of the other details are just typical Spielberg cliche and fantasy.
I get the impression (rightly or wrongly) that `Meteor-4' is one of these young, self-righteous post-war German `explanationists' recently lampooned by Harry Enfield. One things's for sure; he/she certainly has no grasp of British cultural history, and does his own nation a disservice (if that were possible) by simply opening his mouth.
Sir, I couldn't agree with you more. I can't find the comment that you're referring to but I certainly know the type; prissy holier-than-thou socialistic types attempting to besmirch the characters of heroes now too dead to defend themselves but whose brief and fiery existences serve to justify all that has come before and after in England.
If someone has a problem with the class system then they should be out with it at the onset and all power to them, however to suggest that the hard-working Proletariat of Britain was less emotionally invested in his country and the war it was fighting than his Upper-Class compatriots is frankly an insult to the brave common folk of this land.
Ex-university, ex-public-schoolboys were chosen for officerial roles because they had the education and skills necessary for that particular oppucation; however the spirit that these men showed in serving their country, their calm and selfless execution of their duty was every bit the match and equal of the working-class soldiers, sailors, aircrew and engineers. To say that the war was more that of the "gentlemen" is simply a misunderstanding of the word, perhaps born out of too much fraternisation with other ignorant or poorly educated socialists. The "gentlemanly" spirit portrayed in these films is in fact the all-pervading essence of Britain; to think that it applied simply to the highly-born or well-spoken is an act of self-deceit. The same spirit that lived in the Pilots and Officers thrived also in the men who served alongside and with them; born to different tasks and different places but equals and comrades nonetheless.
I should also like to corroborate your comment on the war-time generation. Without an exception, I have found, they are all deeply moral and honourable people, sadly now few and far between. I hope however that my generation, the young generation and the coming generations will one day be able to live up to the folks who came before. I pray to God that in the same situation I would have the same grace and valour as my ancestors and the men of my country who fought for it; with fear perhaps but also with an unerring sense of duty and pride in my cause.
Also, if this Meteor fellow cannot understand the love that one can feel for one's dog then he has either never had one, or is a deeply rotten sort of person. Not to mention, of course, that the death of *beep* would have hit very hard at Gibson, in light of the fact that he and his friends were about to risk their own lives.
I happened to know a chap once who had taken part in the Normandy landings; he certainly believed that "Saving Private Ryan" portrayed the carnage accurately and I shall gladly take his word for it. I did indeed find that part of the film both interesting and exciting, it's just a shame that the rest of it was Hollywood nonsense, but then what do you expect from a nation that claims the right to police the world while reliantly pitching up to every war of consequence only when it suits their own purposes.
Again, did not read the original comment to which you were moved to reply. However, I do feel strongly about those who would choose to insult or belittle those who fought and died for Britain, British freedom and the freedom of the world. It is bad enough when it's a "British" individual doing it, but I'll go to hell before I see a lefty *beep* insulting my nation's heroes.
Kind regards,
Sam Davidson.
We're both part of the same hypocrisy, senator, but never think it applies to my family
I should like to clarify the situation visa-viz censorship; the first word I used which was censored was the name of Gibson's dog, enough said. The second was "K R A U T"; I had no idea that this word would not be accepted. Ironic, I suppose, that while we beat them we still don't have the right to call them what we like.
Still, I don't like to use offensive language, and I'm sorry if the word "K R A U T" offends some people; I suppose it could be taken as a slur on Germans. Personally I think their history would be far more effective in this role.
Over and out.
We're both part of the same hypocrisy, senator, but never think it applies to my family
For the record `Meteor-4' posted his/her contribution on November 2nd, 2008. At the time of writing it's the seventh most recent posting. On the same page as mine I'm galled to say.