Frank or Bernie?
Does anyone else think that she should have choose Bernie?
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The reason I believe that Bernie was so committed to his career was his bitterness over his failed marriage.Bernie was deeply hurt and he is married to his career instead of a woman because he is afraid of risking his heart again for fear of being hurt.Georgie makes Bernie`s heart come alive again because she is as he describes her in the film "steadfast,loyal and devoted" everything his wife wasn`t.A part of me wishes Bernie and Georgie could ended up together but I also admire Bernie`s nobility in sending Georgie back to Frank. My wish for bernie at the end is that he will soon find a woman who is as "steadfast, loyal and devoted as Georgie.Bernie `s doing the right thing in the end fits the redemption pattern apparent through out all of Bill Holden`s films.In the end Holden`s characters always find the moral courage to do the right thing or make a difference in the lives of themselves and /or others.It says much for Bill`s personal integrity in the way he chose his films.I love the chemistry between Bill and Grace kelly in this film- they both give terrific performances but it would not have been the same if the ending had deviated from the redemption pattern.That redemption pattern is one of the many reasons Bill Holden is my favorite actor.
Lorraine
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Yes, Bill and Grace made a dazzling couple.Bill and Grace were wonderful touching and convincing as a married couple in THE BRIDGES AT TOKO_RI.Reportedly, Bill and Grace were briefly romantically involved off-screen.Grace described Bill as "Passionate and Exciting"- I agree.
Lorraine
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Grace `s on screen time is brief in THE BRIDGES AT TOKO-RI but she is wonderful as Bill Holden`s devoted wife.Watching Bill`s character interact so lovingly with his family makes it even more poignant and tragic concerning the ending.
Lorraine
I understand you want the best for Bill as he's a favorite of yours! Bill Holden and Grace Kelly as a couple - people would have to wear sunglasses it would be too dazzling!
That's so true. Both totally stunning.
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by - DLiebert on Tue Nov 22 2005 22:28:44
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I understand you want the best for Bill as he's a favorite of yours! Bill Holden and Grace Kelly as a couple - people would have to wear sunglasses it would be too dazzling!
I think you are right, I'm almost blind as I've watched these two seperately in other films. LOL
Honestly, hoping Bernie and Georgie get together was what I anticipated even before Bernie kissed Georgie in that scene. I think Frank is too weak. His fear makes him unable to face himself and face any realities. He didn't know how to cherish his devoting, understanding wife who sacrificed herself to support him, to love him. Frank's weakness is no good to Georgie. Contrarily, Bernie could see the golden heart of Georgie. Once he knew he had prejudices on her, he immediately realized there was a slight difference between love and hate.
Even if Georgie left Frank, we shouldn't have accused her for her disloyalty. After all, Georgie didn't leave Frank; She gave him her best 10 years in her life when he needed her the most. To be a bit selfish, don't you think a woman should persue after her own good? A wonderful woman like Georgie deserves better. She needs to be loved, to be cherished, to be treated and looked as a REAL woman! She is no housewife. Only Bernie could bring her a bright future. Bernie is the man who follows his mind, and he has a future, that's what is so important to women.
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by - yas-6 on Thu Dec 14 2006 17:20:09
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I'm wondering if it was because of the 50's Code of Decencey (if that is the correct title). I think it kind of spoils fifties films in that people could not get divorced & leave their spouses for another person. I think you always knew they would have to go back to the spouse unless they died quite by accident or in a war etc.
It would always have to be one of them being "noble" & saying I can't let you do this" or I cannot leave her she needs me or you have to think of the children etc.
As if that didn't happen in real life during thos years. I can think of a number of fifties films that end like that & I have always disliked kind of knowing the ending right from the get-go.
Do you think that is the way it was in those days in regard to films?
Back to you, bud. Sorry for delay, I am not checking IMDb as often as I used to be a yr ago. A VERY THOUGHTFUL QUESTION.
I thought ppl were very traditional and decent back to these days, based upon some readings and movies that I'd read/seen that were made at that time or reflected to that time. People, especially wives were very loyal thought they wanted to go after betterment. There was some pressure put on them, so they were trapped in such cage.
Nowadays, ppl on screen are acting more explictly. Marital affairs, children out of wedlocks are not longer freaking to anybody. Basically, you can do whatever you want and not to think about any responsibility. That seems to be the new modern "standard". Careless sex and such exist everywhere, and becomes more and more tolerate in the world. I think it's kinda human revolution, tho it's a bit sad when it comes to some extremes. Maybe some 007 started that in early 60s, ppl no longer wanted to hide their true feelings...
I agree with you on the the movies from the old time had similar outlines like this one. For example, you probably had seen "When Strangers Meet" starring Kim Novak and Kirk Douglas...it was a hopeless affair had no future. "Falling in Love" (Rober De Niro and Meryl Streep)was a movie in the 70s, I could not believe even at then, movie still had such resemblance like a buch movies in the 50s. Now, I am wonderin why Grace won her Oscar by her portrayl to Georgie? Was her character, personality and her choice on her future very likeable to the major audience and the judges, so ppl all chose her?
But don't forget about one man who was WAY AHEAD of his times, that was the ultimate Alfred Hitchcock. A very obvious e.g. VERTIGO would be a convincing example. Although Judy Barton (Kim Novak) was pretending to be Madeline Elster, Gavin Elster's wife, she still couldn't help to fall in love with John Furgurson(Jimmy Stewart), and they were almost together till the crime "ended" their affair. Hitchcock was sorta the man loved such romance, he didn't care about that so-called "code of decency"...and was that why Vertigo failed? Just because of a man was obsessed with a dead woman who was someone else's wife or what?
IT'S VERY AMBIGUOUS. Besides, I'm lacking of real life experiences, as I was not born that time. So I'd like to hear some of you or others' opinion, maybe some brilliant ideas would pop out. :)
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It is the noble thing to stay with the person whom you married. Unless the person is beating the cr*p or in other ways abusive. It's a shame that we have become so jaded in our day to look at that and scoff.
Nil desperandum, take courage, rise up to the more noble deeds!
Bill Holden and Grace Kelly would have made a dazzling off-screen couple, but Grace was sleeping with Bing Crosby during the making of this movie. Bill Holden even backed off, in deference to Bing. This is all quite well-known.
shareI heard of that too. Old Gracie had some odd taste.
I'd loved to get dazzled by Holden-Kelly, never happened except their 2 on-screen collaborations. :(
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Yuck, Bing was quite an old coot by then.
I don't think she ended up with Bernie because she sensed he had problems and biases towards females in general.
I think you're right, netshopper-2.
I think she made the right choice. It seemed to me that she needed to remain the influence in Frank's life. She made life happier for both herself and for Frank by remaining with him.
I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though.
How Frank lied about Georgie was despicable IMO, and it was because of that weakness and hatefulness that made me wish Georgie left him for Bernie. But Bernie wasn't perfect either, his treatment of Georgie and biased views against women were no better. If she left Frank for Bernie, will it have lasted? It makes me think of Meg Ryan with Russle Crowe, what if Bernie found his own personal excuse to leave her eventually and bish about her to others? What then? In the end, is he better than Frank?
shareInteresting point about Holden's roles. I never noticed that before, but looking back I can kind of see the pattern. I wonder if it was intentional, or just the kind of star persona that was molded for him?
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